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I thought I would start by having you

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tell briefly your UFO story because I

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know that that plays a role into you

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choosing to investigate this type of

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phenomena as opposed to the thousands of

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other things that you could choose to

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investigate so you might you mind

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starting with your story it's it's it's

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pretty pretty fascinating sure yeah no I

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and I don't mind telling it eight years

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ago

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another friend who at the time I was

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still policing and so the free nose was

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also Police Sergeant we were off-duty

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and I was leaving her house and we were

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sent no standing outside chatting for a

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few minutes before I headed home do I

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need to ask whether you were drinking or

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doing any other substances well you're

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welcome to ask and I promise you I

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wasn't we were we were stone sober and

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strolling centers yeah okay you caught

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yes stone sober not stoned sober okay no

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note no drinking or other or other

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hallucinogens etc nothing of that nature

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yeah and it happened to be a very clear

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night I want to say that because on the

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coast Stearns of that because the

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humidity unless it is freezing cold and

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you don't want to be outside that's the

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only time you see stars and I've never

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been to Savannah I've heard great things

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about it pretty city great not good for

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stargazing although that night it was

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because it was so cold and so this was

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in the wintertime about when we would

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time in the evening live in 30 at night

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yeah it was December and we were just

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chatting in the yard before I left and

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out of nowhere you know is one of these

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things like people talk about it these

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three lights just pop up into the sky

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like somebody flipped the light switch

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and I mean they were as big as a PE if

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you held it out at arm's length and

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that's how bright they were all

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straight row and you know I told me but

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this is not when these things were you

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see something I got what is that this

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was a holy Sh

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what is that you know who was evident

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something was there and they stayed on

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for 30 seconds and they just cut off

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like somebody flipped a switch and you

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know we said they're kind of stunned by

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that the friend I was with she she was a

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little frightened I was like no no

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what's that I love mysteries and then

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after about 30 more seconds the first

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three we first saw just cut back on and

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there's two more kind of evenly spaced

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as if they were all in a straight row

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and then at that point they were kind of

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low on the horizon we're looking towards

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the west towards where the the town that

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she lived and would have been and so I

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guess the ambient lighting of the

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horizon I always caution to tell people

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this it appeared that these lights were

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connected to a structure if that was the

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case it would be a very large structure

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I was a caution that because I'm a psych

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major a lot of the stuff I did in law

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enforcement related to psych psychology

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were cognitive psychology in particular

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and so I know about paranoia I know that

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our minds can some try to find a hidden

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patterns for us and sort of it would

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make sense but it definitely appeared

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that way and they stayed on for roughly

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30 more seconds and it was all five just

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went out immediately again yeah describe

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it something flipping a switch you know

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when you hear it you're gonna have five

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lights in the sky come on could have

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been flares something like this I don't

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think so

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I don't have a prosaic explanation for

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it for me probably one of the most

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shocking things was I really didn't pay

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attention to UFOs near that anything I

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just wanted to know what it was and so I

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did like all other good red-blooded

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Americans I got on Google and started

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googling and stumbled across an

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organization the MUFON the mutual UFO

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network who investigators look at this

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type of thing and this was the very next

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day and I discovered someone in the town

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just west of us would have been where we

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were looking at

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and actually made a report of the exact

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same thing roughly ten minutes before we

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saw so then all of a sudden you're like

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I have a psychology background are you

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the idea of mass hallucinations is silly

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there's no actual empirical evidence to

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prove that that's real and in fact it

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would be more fascinating if you and I

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could mass hallucinate the same thing in

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separate bodies but with her there must

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go saner than this independent person

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seeing it now I said this is real now

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what real means I still to this day I in

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fact a very objective and prosaic and

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even skeptical about it and we live in

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an area that hunter Army Airfield was

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right there Marine Air Station Buford's

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right there the 165th air wings were

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surrounded by the military Fort Stewart

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is right there could it had been a some

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type of military craft sure you know I'm

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still open to that

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I don't know what it was because it

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looks interesting unfortunately you know

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ended up making a rapport with this

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MUFON group and they ruled it is an

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unknown which I'm like well that's like

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I say with me you know I like solving

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mysteries and so you know I was very

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open and dabbling into this subject

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since then at least in the regards to

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you people who say that they have seen

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things they aren't crazy now there are

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some crazy people say crazy things but

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there's a percentage of it that I think

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is interesting and I think that it

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warrants legitimate investigative

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journalism it warrants legitimate

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inquiry instead of just ridicule and so

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that really got me into it and I would

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say probably within the last year is

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when I kind of started really engaging

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people publicly about it from the

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quote-unquote UFO community and really

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especially some individuals who I felt

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like we're doing serious work at it and

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had a really good critical look at it

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it's kind of how I was willing to cover

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it and why I'm willing to write pieces

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for Popular Mechanics I've done some for

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Vice the war zone because if we take

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fundamentally what's being said by

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witnesses or what's occurring well

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it's newsworthy I think it deserves an

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explanation the public is having this

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happened yeah well and certainly at this

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point more mainstream than ever now that

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we've got these nimitz videos that were

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leaked a couple years ago and you've got

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the US Navy coming out and acknowledging

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that the video is real yes arm islets

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encountered something you've got the

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government acknowledging the a tip

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program right that's the Lewis Elizondo

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program so you know this this thing off

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the Nimitz

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my reaction to it based on what the Navy

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said about it is it is real it is

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something and the big question is is it

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earthly or is it extraterrestrial you

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know I don't think we can say that it

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was a false lip on a radar screen etc

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yeah I think at this point you have to

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recognize that no there were flying

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objects off the coast of Southern

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California personally observed by four

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different Navy pilots and seen on radar

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and acknowledged by the Navy so now the

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question in my mind is is it earthly or

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extraterrestrial and based on the turbo

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story you would say he clearly says that

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it's earthly I tend to lean in that

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direction being somewhat skeptical of

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extraterrestrial visits but I'm

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certainly by far no expert in the

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subject the more I dig into it the more

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I learn and and know-how learn how much

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I don't know about all this but his

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story seems to kind of hold water to me

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as fantastical as it is i mean i'm

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sometimes shocked myself that here i am

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believing this because i'm very

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skeptical myself but when it comes down

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to having to decide okay those things

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are real that's a given

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so now are the earthly or

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extraterrestrial that's the big question

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and you know it's it's basically one or

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the other but anyway to finish your your

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story so you didn't see a craft per se

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all lights that you believe were

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probably on a craft absolutely yeah mine

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is nowhere near as compelling as many

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other people's stories it just I would

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say piqued my interest enough to kind of

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want to and still to this day I'm much

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like yourself

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I just recently said you know I'm

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neither a skeptical believer by the

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classical or by the contemporary

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definitions people associate with that

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because I believe the believer means

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that every light in the sky is an alien

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skeptic means everything everybody says

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can be explained away I'm just an

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open-minded objective investigator so I

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mean that's what I did for my career in

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law enforcement that's what I bring to

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it and so I say open mind because I'm

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willing to listen

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my background came from a lot of human

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intelligence stuff interrogations in

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dealing with I was a violent crimes

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investigator time so you talked to

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people obviously anecdotal evidence is

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not dismissed as much as science so I'm

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not a scientist I'm an investigator and

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you know I think that it warrants that

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kind of inquiry just as much as a more

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scientific in court but yeah I mean what

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it is I don't know so let's dig into

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your story then and Popular Mechanics

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you the the pilots well you could answer

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this as far as how many pilots we've

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actually heard from I know favor is the

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one who seems to be out there the most

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and I saw him on Rogen speaking

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extensively about it and he certainly

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says that he saw something and doesn't

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know what it was and then in your

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article you've given voice to a lot of

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the other people that were on some of

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the various ships associated with the

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USS Nimitz so but but remind me how many

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three to who had come out named and

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faced that would be favored obviously

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what he said he's the most prolific and

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then Jim Slade who was a weapon system

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officer for the other the wingman that

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was with commander flavor

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he has spoken once he evidently from

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what I was told

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he appeared on one evening when

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television interview and the lead into

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that made it kind of kooky and seem you

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know the silly tinfoil hat thing and

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that was enough for him you know he's a

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serious aviator the other pilot has

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spoken on the History Channel's

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television show she did so concealing

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her identity in black and year-out

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she is still active duty you know I know

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the names of all the pilots involved but

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respect that some of them just don't

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want to deal with it because they're an

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active-duty the other pilot who has only

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briefly spoke out was Chad Underwood and

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that is the weapon system officer who

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actually filmed the now infamous FLIR

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one video that's been out there his

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pilot in his aircraft

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she has never spoken out I believe she

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is actually still active duty as well

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and the weapons system officer that was

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with commander Fraser so every plane had

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two people in it and he has not spoken

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out as well so there was two it was two

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f-18s that went out there are three

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there were there there were two

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initially there was a air and air combat

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exercise scheduled for that morning

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exciting reds and blues from

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understanding so you had a marine forest

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a marine squadron that was going to play

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the bad guy us trying to attack the

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carrier your Navy f-18s we're gonna try

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to intercept them and there's there's

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another pilot you bring up good there

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Douglas Kurth who's only spoken once as

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well he was the Marine pilot and he was

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initially sent to intercept these

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objects he did not see anything other

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than the frothy whitewash water is what

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he says in that in that area before he

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was ordered to come back to the ship so

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- initially when commander flavor and

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his wingman returned to the USS Nimitz

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the next scheduled flight up at least

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included weapons system officer Chad

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Underwood and then another pilot

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typically they would fly in pairs but I

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don't know that has not been discussed

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but there was you know some excitement

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because commander favorite came back

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saying and what they had seen and so now

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hold on is like let me just be clear

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because at some point it's my

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understanding that they were sent out

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there to investigate what was being seen

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on this radar is that the trip that

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you're talking about the first trip with

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chromatophores yes raiveer sent out in

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one other f-18

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with two pilots in it goes out to

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investigate and all four of them come

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back saying that they saw this yes

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describe it I mean I've heard deviation

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from the accounts that I think flavor

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has given from those who've spoken out

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they describe the same way this you know

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oblong

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say take tack object because they

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describe it you know hovering above the

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water and then ascending and essentially

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according to framers accounts who I have

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not spoken to personally is very guarded

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and he doesn't like the media attention

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so he he's shot away but from what I've

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heard is he know he was at a UFO

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convention recently so at least I read

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that I don't know maybe yes yes yeah I

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you know I just know myself and some

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other journalists who have tried to

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speak to him first amount I tried

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several times do you think perhaps are

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some people they just getting paid for

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some of these appearances oh I don't

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know that I mean well yeah he may have

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been paid for that appearance I don't

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want to speculate that I just think that

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I know that he you know his friends

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would actually someone who a filmmaker

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that's in the UFO field Jeremy Korbel

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produced several films and so you know

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he may be guiding him as a de facto

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spokesperson idle no I just know that

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he's very selective because you're right

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he has appeared on Joe Rogan he has

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appeared he did appear at the UFO

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conference which I believe he said was

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so yes he has made some appearances

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there but they can't stress enough it

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doesn't appear that he's trying to

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profit off it by any means okay so those

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two planes come back they report and

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then there was a third plane at some

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point there was a third plane that's

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that's who recorded the video you seen

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the video you've seen that was released

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was not from commander forever his other

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the other flight he was with him I was

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recorded by Lieutenant Chad Underwood

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and that was they actually outfitted

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that plane with the at clear the

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advanced forward-looking lidar system

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that recorded it so it was

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top-of-the-line technology at the time

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top-of-the-line targeting pod they said

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let's throw this bad boy on and see if

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we catch a picture of it and so that's

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how that clear got pod got put on there

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now let me interrupt you there I mean it

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would seem to me these f-18s which are

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five hundred million dollar planes or

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whatever they are that would all have

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recording devices on them didn't the

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other planes have some type of recording

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device I agree with you and that seems

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like a very accurate assumption however

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unfortunately you know unfortunately I

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haven't been able to speak to commander

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favor and in the settings that I have

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heard him speak I don't know that he's

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been interviewed by like it you know

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someone who was being investigative

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journalists would ask those kind of

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questions like why I mean besides his

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top of the line at FLIR program why

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would there not have been more cameras I

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mean in 2004 I had cameras on my police

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car so right so okay but but anyway so

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but this is really helpful that you're

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kind of clarifying all this so so any

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video that people see that's considered

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this USS nimitz video is coming from the

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third plane the fake that is correct

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yes that's correct very brief clip that

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you see there it was given by Chad

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Underwood and his weapon system awesome

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now to my knowledge

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neither lieutenant Underwood or his

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pilot physically saw the object other

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on there at flourish Springs so they're

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tracking it I mean these are they're

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able to track it miles in advance so I

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don't say that because again I haven't

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been able to interviewed them but from

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the best of my knowledge I don't know if

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they were close enough to physically see

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it I know it gets sexed up and you hear

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they had their cloaking devices on a lot

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the reason they have these targeting

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pods is so that you can take out the

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enemy before they can see you so they

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work very effective and what about any

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of the other four pilots would do any of

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them claim to have seen it with her own

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eyes the wingman pilot has spoken out

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again on the History Channel's TV show

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she indeed said that she saw her she was

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in a high cover position so essentially

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frei verse says he's gonna go down

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investigate and she says almost they up

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hear that and so she watched this go

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down frankly I don't recall if what the

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other I believe it may have been her

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weapon system officer Jim slate but I

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don't know what he saw I don't want to

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say so then speaking of the video I

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believe I read it in your article that

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some folks are saying Navy people that

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you interviewed that the video there's a

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lot more video than what we've seen and

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higher quality video yes that was that

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was one of the things that was really

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compelling to me and in fact a lot of

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the motivation I have been investigating

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this case but a lot of the motivation

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for me really digging into it and

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talking to these guys came after the

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favor interview with Joe Rogan because

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he mentioned some inconsistency in these

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other accounts and I thought well

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nobody's mitigated this like nobody's

447
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actually talked to these other guys to

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find out and it was very very fortunate

449
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to be friends with gentleman date they

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put together a YouTube documentary

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called the nimitz encounters he's a

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phenomenal filmmaker however this was

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just a passion project for him he did it

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for free and opened it up and he's

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actually I found it was just a great guy

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who enjoys military aviation and finds

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interest in this topic so he wanted to

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put it out there and he really gets a

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lot of the credit for being able to

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track these guys down

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or better yet them coming to him so he

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had several of the witnesses and was

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able to provide me access to all and

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indeed at least three of the five three

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of the six that I spoke with excuse me

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did all mention there was a longer

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clearer video that showed this object

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maneuvering in much more dramatic

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fashion than what you see in the very

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short clip I mean frankly the one minute

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16 second clue is been released it's

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like every other UFO video to me it's

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something it's a I don't know what it is

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but but they describe roughly an eight

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to ten minute video that was clear that

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showed the the object making acute right

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angle terms I mean you know but the Gary

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Voorhees who was a aegis technician on

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the ship at the time said he could get a

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sense for just how difficult the pilots

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were having a time trying to catch this

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thing just in their camera system

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another thing that I found striking is

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Jason Turner when I was spoke to him he

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was a supply technician who actually

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happened to be in the their intelligence

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in a room and had a friend there who was

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watching the video and he said man check

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this out so he got to see it but when he

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retells what he said he saw one of the

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things that was really striking for me

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as an investigator is 15 years 14 years

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later he he looked disturbed still and

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by what he saw like it bothered him

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because it didn't look normal

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however that is a contention because

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obviously there's no other videos been

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released command what's right what's the

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theory sorry what's the theory behind

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why we have

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how we have the video that we have and

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how we don't have any of the other video

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well and that was one of the things that

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in my article I tried to dig into and

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mitigate because yeah why does that

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happen

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and one of the things that I was I

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thought was striking was I was able to

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interview the Vincent Aiello who's a

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retired

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f-18 pilot and he was extremely helpful

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and explaining to me how all of these

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processes work with these tapes where

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they know how they're turned in this

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type of thing and I've never been a

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naval aviator aviator period so I can

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only go by what they tell me but he told

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me that he agreed and he was actually on

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the Nimitz by the way different squadron

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in favor but he was a fighter pilot on

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the Nimitz during 2004 and he said it

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seems very plausible there would be a

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longer video because there's pilots we

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had that we were using eight millimeter

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tapes we plug them in and typically turn

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them on when we took off from the

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carrier I wouldn't cut them off when

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they came back of the day it would be

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very uncharacteristic to just flip it on

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all of a sudden like we were getting now

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and so he makes sense that would happen

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he also explained to kind of the process

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is that when that aircraft would have

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landed the weapon system officer the

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pilot over the junior was much kid who

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would be there was a the weapon system

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officer would have reported to the CGI

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sea which is kind of an intelligence

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center where the pilots are required to

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do a written report after every single

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flight and turning their tapes with

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tapes or copied their unfortunately

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again I can only interpret it by the way

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when we say tapes do we mean literally

545
00:23:56,150 --> 00:23:53,520
tapes as opposed to holding knives we

546
00:24:01,940 --> 00:23:56,160
mean eight millimeter tapes and I mean I

547
00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:01,950
it was 2004 and yes and it sounds crazy

548
00:24:07,250 --> 00:24:03,809
but again just going back to my own

549
00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:07,260
experience you know for our police cars

550
00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:09,150
if you were fancy if you had eight

551
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,510
millimeter long a VHS then so indeed

552
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:15,120
solid-state drops weren't a thing yet

553
00:24:20,420 --> 00:24:19,919
obviously now that is and so yeah we're

554
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:20,430
talking about

555
00:24:25,580 --> 00:24:24,000
elevator takes but they are you Vincent

556
00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:25,590
Ayala was very specific these are these

557
00:24:29,090 --> 00:24:27,510
are special you know classified tapes

558
00:24:32,990 --> 00:24:29,100
they're not easily copy at this type of

559
00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:33,000
stuff and so what I was able to gather

560
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,190
from those outside sources not speaking

561
00:24:39,470 --> 00:24:37,200
to the primary source flavor and so is

562
00:24:41,030 --> 00:24:39,480
that there was some contention about

563
00:24:42,860 --> 00:24:41,040
wanting those tapes back those tapes

564
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:42,870
belonged to the squadron regardless and

565
00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:46,890
so commander flavor got the tapes back

566
00:24:52,220 --> 00:24:49,740
from the CD I see I don't know how long

567
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:52,230
the time frame I believe his exact words

568
00:24:56,420 --> 00:24:54,600
when he in an interview was he went up

569
00:24:57,740 --> 00:24:56,430
there and there was a little bit of we

570
00:24:58,790 --> 00:24:57,750
don't want to give him back to you he

571
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,800
said he was going to tear this place

572
00:25:04,250 --> 00:25:00,720
apart we got it back he was a squadron

573
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:04,260
commander and so he got his takes but I

574
00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:07,290
can secure them in a squadron safe and

575
00:25:12,020 --> 00:25:08,820
when you say his tapes you're talking

576
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:12,030
about the tapes from Underwood correct

577
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:14,210
but he was the squadron commander so

578
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:16,050
defective in the military organization

579
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:20,490
this is his but yes yes he's how mighty

580
00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:22,410
he talked about Underwood's and they

581
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,310
were secured in a safe that houses i was

582
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,080
explained this is a squadron safe that

583
00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:30,240
houses different sensitive information

584
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,510
including firearms and weapons some type

585
00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:35,760
of keycard systems that for lack of a

586
00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:38,820
better term sounded like which you might

587
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:40,500
even which you might color car keys to

588
00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:43,050
these planes and then there's a certain

589
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:45,240
block of tapes that are at their side of

590
00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:49,290
the squadron and those tapes that were

591
00:25:55,670 --> 00:25:51,560
from that incident went missing now

592
00:25:57,860 --> 00:25:55,680
commander flavor doesn't say that that

593
00:25:59,180 --> 00:25:57,870
missing is a sinister conspiratorial he

594
00:26:01,100 --> 00:25:59,190
believes that somebody inadvertently

595
00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:01,110
recorded over them when i spoke to the

596
00:26:05,710 --> 00:26:03,000
other pilots they agree that is

597
00:26:09,620 --> 00:26:05,720
plausible because evidently there's a

598
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:09,630
x-number block of tapes and the number

599
00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:11,610
of individuals who have access to them

600
00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:16,440
at the squadron level is a lot and a

601
00:26:21,260 --> 00:26:18,270
duty officers in charge of that every

602
00:26:22,670 --> 00:26:21,270
day and they issue them out and so you

603
00:26:26,540 --> 00:26:22,680
might be the duty officer day i'm the

604
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:26,550
next day and it's also important to note

605
00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:28,440
there aren't these work ups they went

606
00:26:33,730 --> 00:26:31,500
back to port to san diego for

607
00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:33,740
Thanksgiving and so they left this

608
00:26:37,149 --> 00:26:35,240
I think that's when they came back they

609
00:26:38,980 --> 00:26:37,159
were wrong when they returned it was

610
00:26:41,169 --> 00:26:38,990
somebody's responsibility to determine

611
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:41,179
all of those classified takes could be

612
00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:42,890
accounted for so someone may very well

613
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,580
have seen his save for Co thrown it off

614
00:26:49,870 --> 00:26:48,320
put it back in rotation and it was

615
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:49,880
reported over by another flight because

616
00:26:53,049 --> 00:26:51,919
they do reuse them yeah

617
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,059
well I'm usually not a conspiracy

618
00:26:58,269 --> 00:26:55,520
theorist but that one doesn't really

619
00:27:01,899 --> 00:26:58,279
hold water very well to me I mean

620
00:27:04,899 --> 00:27:01,909
clearly they saw something that was very

621
00:27:07,419 --> 00:27:04,909
unusual and clearly this was something

622
00:27:09,220 --> 00:27:07,429
that caught a lot of people's attention

623
00:27:12,639 --> 00:27:09,230
so it'd be pretty hard to imagine the

624
00:27:16,389 --> 00:27:12,649
tapes getting recorded over I agree with

625
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:16,399
you and and I am absolutely the same way

626
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:18,049
I'm not a conspiracy there's a thing

627
00:27:21,460 --> 00:27:20,210
most conspiracies are myth and some of

628
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:21,470
them are frankly just damaging and

629
00:27:27,250 --> 00:27:25,370
harmful and silly but you're right in

630
00:27:31,180 --> 00:27:27,260
the totality of all the information that

631
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:31,190
I gathered in just the totality event if

632
00:27:33,940 --> 00:27:32,480
some of the things that I've found out

633
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:33,950
I'm sure we'll touch on about people

634
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:37,010
coming on board taking data I have told

635
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:39,289
people where that may sound men in black

636
00:27:48,010 --> 00:27:43,370
and sinister it's comforting to me as an

637
00:27:50,350 --> 00:27:48,020
American citizen because if indeed we

638
00:27:52,330 --> 00:27:50,360
are to take what is being said for face

639
00:27:55,060 --> 00:27:52,340
value which the Navy has said these were

640
00:27:58,299 --> 00:27:55,070
unidentified anomalous or unidentified

641
00:27:59,980 --> 00:27:58,309
aerial phenomena if that is true the

642
00:28:00,990 --> 00:27:59,990
idea that the government was just like

643
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:01,000
that

644
00:28:09,610 --> 00:28:07,970
disturbing reality and so it is good to

645
00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:09,620
me to know that someone was doing some

646
00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:12,460
sort of investigation it's some capacity

647
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,260
or they intentionally record it over the

648
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:16,880
tapes because they didn't leave they

649
00:28:21,460 --> 00:28:19,730
didn't want them to maintain but what we

650
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:21,470
saw was originally released by the to

651
00:28:28,450 --> 00:28:24,289
the Stars Academy as a result of Louis

652
00:28:29,860 --> 00:28:28,460
Elizondo having them because he had been

653
00:28:32,350 --> 00:28:29,870
running a tip am I right about that

654
00:28:38,889 --> 00:28:32,360
basically that's how we have what we

655
00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:38,899
have sort of and I don't want to give

656
00:28:42,820 --> 00:28:40,460
away too much because I maybe have a

657
00:28:45,169 --> 00:28:42,830
follow-up feature coming to this but the

658
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:45,179
history of the short video that we

659
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:48,570
have been released he's just as strange

660
00:28:54,829 --> 00:28:52,559
as all of it and includes which spans

661
00:28:58,969 --> 00:28:54,839
from the Pacific Theater where it was

662
00:29:03,909 --> 00:28:58,979
recorded - enough about an hour from me

663
00:29:09,619 --> 00:29:03,919
in Germany at a 3d special-effects

664
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:09,629
German film company in 2007 - there is

665
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:11,129
some contention about the release of

666
00:29:17,629 --> 00:29:14,940
those videos they the Navy has

667
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:17,639
maintained that they did not release

668
00:29:22,879 --> 00:29:20,450
those videos for public release

669
00:29:24,709 --> 00:29:22,889
I've spoken to Louisa as almost spoken

670
00:29:28,369 --> 00:29:24,719
for this article I've spoken to him on

671
00:29:30,259 --> 00:29:28,379
numerous occasions great guy nice guy

672
00:29:32,419 --> 00:29:30,269
we'd love to drink a beer with him he

673
00:29:34,669 --> 00:29:32,429
knows that I questioned some aspects of

674
00:29:36,499 --> 00:29:34,679
his story it's no sleight against him it

675
00:29:39,409 --> 00:29:36,509
just means that by the official sources

676
00:29:43,549 --> 00:29:39,419
from the Pentagon they say that he had

677
00:29:45,739 --> 00:29:43,559
no responsibility in a tip and so there

678
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:45,749
is some dissension there although

679
00:29:51,979 --> 00:29:48,570
they're saying no responsibility they're

680
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:51,989
saying he didn't even work there no we

681
00:29:55,820 --> 00:29:54,299
know for a fact and in fact one of the

682
00:29:58,459 --> 00:29:55,830
earliest things that I got involved with

683
00:29:59,959 --> 00:29:58,469
this was actually asked to help with an

684
00:30:01,849 --> 00:29:59,969
investigative capacity for another

685
00:30:03,529 --> 00:30:01,859
journalist who was looking into it and

686
00:30:06,589 --> 00:30:03,539
so there's some things that I know about

687
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:06,599
mr. Lozado for certain which is he he is

688
00:30:12,469 --> 00:30:08,580
absolutely a career intelligence officer

689
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:12,479
he was at some still classified sites

690
00:30:20,060 --> 00:30:17,369
near the Caribbean area that are NSA and

691
00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:20,070
CSA sites he worked at SCI called sweet

692
00:30:25,399 --> 00:30:22,169
T which is in Augusta this NSA

693
00:30:27,049 --> 00:30:25,409
geological Center and then he was at the

694
00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:27,059
office for the Undersecretary of defense

695
00:30:34,219 --> 00:30:29,700
for intelligence as a gs-15 very high

696
00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:34,229
ranking position now there is some

697
00:30:40,430 --> 00:30:38,460
contention over the eight involvement in

698
00:30:44,089 --> 00:30:40,440
and in fact I would say publicly now

699
00:30:45,769 --> 00:30:44,099
maybe to the stars Academy which is who

700
00:30:47,329 --> 00:30:45,779
he's working for now has even maybe

701
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:47,339
backed off a little bit because

702
00:30:52,969 --> 00:30:49,080
initially it was he ran in he was the

703
00:30:56,269 --> 00:30:52,979
man and now it's kind of a maybe a tip

704
00:30:59,000 --> 00:30:56,279
wasn't nearly as a formal program as it

705
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:01,250
and so but the Pentagon themselves the

706
00:31:06,050 --> 00:31:02,850
official position from the office of the

707
00:31:12,050 --> 00:31:06,060
Secretary of Defense is that mr.

708
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:12,060
Elizondo he the a tip program would have

709
00:31:18,220 --> 00:31:16,050
been super fish in his purview however

710
00:31:20,830 --> 00:31:18,230
he did not have was any any

711
00:31:25,460 --> 00:31:20,840
responsibilities in it that is their

712
00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:25,470
exact words so whichever rabbit hole you

713
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:29,670
want to go down it's it's it's an

714
00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:32,010
interesting days yeah well let's not go

715
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:33,750
down to the Elizondo rabbit hole too far

716
00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:37,710
but going back to the video mm-hmm as

717
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:40,020
far as it being released by to the stars

718
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:42,210
Academy so does that mean it did come

719
00:31:47,420 --> 00:31:45,090
through Elizondo or not necessarily yes

720
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:47,430
the Navy has confirmed it in fact I have

721
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:49,410
copies of all the emails of where he was

722
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:50,700
getting the video released

723
00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:53,100
I was provided those by the office of

724
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:54,840
the secretary of defense and so he

725
00:31:58,490 --> 00:31:57,000
actually applied for that with top

726
00:32:03,470 --> 00:31:58,500
services people to review it to make

727
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:03,480
sure where I say that the you and I

728
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:05,570
weren't ever supposed to see them is

729
00:32:12,530 --> 00:32:08,880
there's some dissent in terms of how

730
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:12,540
those videos released the the Pentagon

731
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:15,330
maintains that they were released by the

732
00:32:21,730 --> 00:32:18,210
forum which you can find online now it's

733
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:21,740
been released by a number of outlets for

734
00:32:27,140 --> 00:32:25,050
industrial partners only and it even

735
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:27,150
specifically says not for public release

736
00:32:31,670 --> 00:32:28,320
this is supposed to be going for

737
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:31,680
industrial partners for having in front

738
00:32:36,530 --> 00:32:34,050
of a safety measures for unmanned aerial

739
00:32:40,930 --> 00:32:36,540
systems balloons and unmanned aerial

740
00:32:43,460 --> 00:32:40,940
vehicles and so again the dissension is

741
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:43,470
the Navy are this to be the Pentagon

742
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:44,460
that's maintaining they released the

743
00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:46,200
videos because they believe they were

744
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:47,940
supposed to go to an industrial partner

745
00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:49,650
who was going to help some safety

746
00:32:56,180 --> 00:32:52,580
program not released to the public

747
00:33:00,590 --> 00:32:56,190
though we know they were released and

748
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:00,600
the Navy has since confirmed they just

749
00:33:05,450 --> 00:33:02,940
did I think that this year that yes that

750
00:33:09,260 --> 00:33:05,460
video that was released is correct

751
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:09,270
accurate video from the Nimitz from that

752
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:12,600
f-18 etc they're there

753
00:33:20,060 --> 00:33:15,690
if they're giving it their stamp of

754
00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:20,070
authenticity and will like everything in

755
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:21,960
any bureaucracy it's always an

756
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:23,760
interesting mix because you will hear

757
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:26,850
and one instance them saying they cannot

758
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:28,980
confirm the authenticity of a video but

759
00:33:34,510 --> 00:33:32,010
then very recently as of September Joe

760
00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:34,520
Bereta show the spokesman for the Navy's

761
00:33:40,610 --> 00:33:36,990
warfare systems of abate Information

762
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:40,620
Systems Command you know said that yes

763
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:43,910
these are real videos and yes they they

764
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:47,730
show unexplained or unidentified aerial

765
00:33:53,530 --> 00:33:50,580
phenomena but as their official stance

766
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:53,540
they have not backed off with that so

767
00:33:59,390 --> 00:33:56,970
yes in a way they have I believe in

768
00:34:01,310 --> 00:33:59,400
terms of them off and authenticating

769
00:34:03,950 --> 00:34:01,320
whether or not this is the entire video

770
00:34:06,170 --> 00:34:03,960
is what they're not willing to do and

771
00:34:12,590 --> 00:34:06,180
why would we have some lower res version

772
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:12,600
of it there's the mystery and again kind

773
00:34:18,350 --> 00:34:14,910
of what I alluded to before this exact

774
00:34:23,540 --> 00:34:18,360
video was released in 2007 through an

775
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:23,550
obscure message board website it's kind

776
00:34:29,780 --> 00:34:26,130
of caters to the conspiracy in

777
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:29,790
paranormal world it was it was released

778
00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:31,260
by our individual who says that they

779
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:33,179
were on the ships and everything they

780
00:34:38,630 --> 00:34:34,530
released quite a bit of information that

781
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:38,640
obviously we now know to be accurate and

782
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:40,770
so it made it to youtube and stuff very

783
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:43,919
briefly in 2007 and then since was

784
00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:47,610
removed and now in 2017 it was kind of

785
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:49,830
formally unveiled but for a lot of

786
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:52,770
people who I've spoken to who were much

787
00:34:59,690 --> 00:34:56,960
more bigger UFO enthusiasts than I am

788
00:35:05,380 --> 00:34:59,700
say that this is inherently this video

789
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:08,240
saying that it's authentic and these

790
00:35:13,070 --> 00:35:10,650
pilots basically coming forward and

791
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:13,080
saying it's authentic and this is what

792
00:35:18,140 --> 00:35:15,930
they saw the video could have been

793
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:18,150
highly questionable but because the Navy

794
00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:19,890
saying it's real and the pilots are

795
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:21,390
saying it's real that that's what gives

796
00:35:27,810 --> 00:35:26,050
us reason to trust the video sure and

797
00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:27,820
I will tell you I've researched and

798
00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:29,230
looked at it after the Navy said

799
00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:31,240
everything you just said and said that

800
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:35,260
this is a UFO we'll just use a common

801
00:35:40,350 --> 00:35:37,090
colloquial here they they tried to jazz

802
00:35:44,130 --> 00:35:40,360
it up with you ap I could not find

803
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:44,140
another historical incidents where any

804
00:35:49,170 --> 00:35:45,520
branch of the United States government

805
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:49,180
pointed to a physical evidence a picture

806
00:35:54,410 --> 00:35:52,330
video and go that's a UFO so it was

807
00:35:57,060 --> 00:35:54,420
unprecedented and still is in my opinion

808
00:35:58,410 --> 00:35:57,070
that enough itself is remarkable it's

809
00:36:02,790 --> 00:35:58,420
kind of interesting that hasn't been

810
00:36:04,170 --> 00:36:02,800
more discussed right so yes I mean yeah

811
00:36:06,090 --> 00:36:04,180
I mean by the official stance the

812
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,100
government it is and one of the guys

813
00:36:12,830 --> 00:36:08,320
that you interviewed said that he

814
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:12,840
actually saw the craft with binoculars

815
00:36:17,250 --> 00:36:14,050
correct

816
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:17,260
that was scary for he's he you know

817
00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:19,810
great great guy and I can't stress that

818
00:36:23,220 --> 00:36:21,640
enough I just just I'll answer that

819
00:36:24,510 --> 00:36:23,230
question but just to say I think it's

820
00:36:25,590 --> 00:36:24,520
important because when people don't get

821
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:25,600
the chance to talk to these individuals

822
00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:28,420
or you hear you witnesses you might have

823
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:30,040
an impression of these people and I'll

824
00:36:34,109 --> 00:36:31,690
tell you in talking to all of them they

825
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:34,119
were salt of the earth like I want him

826
00:36:37,290 --> 00:36:35,890
to be my neighbor type people like the

827
00:36:39,870 --> 00:36:37,300
guy who stops to help somebody change

828
00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:39,880
their tire and very intelligent like I

829
00:36:45,650 --> 00:36:41,950
remember with Gary in particular when I

830
00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:45,660
was talking to him he was rattling off

831
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:48,340
names of systems and capabilities didn't

832
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:50,560
worked on in 15 years so very highly

833
00:36:54,090 --> 00:36:51,760
trained in what they do and

834
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:54,100
knowledgeable and yes Gary's position on

835
00:37:02,040 --> 00:36:58,450
the boat was he was in the only our

836
00:37:04,410 --> 00:37:02,050
aegis a systems technician and so the

837
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:04,420
computer systems the it's the fancy

838
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,250
radar the spy wine like this was a guy

839
00:37:12,510 --> 00:37:09,280
who worked on the computer side of these

840
00:37:14,849 --> 00:37:12,520
to make sure they were functioning he

841
00:37:15,870 --> 00:37:14,859
was the guy and in fact he told me you

842
00:37:17,580 --> 00:37:15,880
know when they first started here but

843
00:37:19,830 --> 00:37:17,590
he's goes to traps he was kind of like

844
00:37:22,890 --> 00:37:19,840
oh crap I don't want to be the dude

845
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:22,900
who's my systems shut this down all this

846
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:25,710
training but he started once they they

847
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:27,910
were able to realize these weren't ghost

848
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:32,650
clutter that he started getting the

849
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,810
relative bearing of them you know from

850
00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:36,880
the Scopes so though he's not a radar

851
00:37:41,540 --> 00:37:39,750
operator he told me he was able to be in

852
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:41,550
combat Information Center because he had

853
00:37:45,260 --> 00:37:43,650
access radar guys we tell him what

854
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:45,270
they're looking at and where it is and

855
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:47,130
then he was able to run up to the to

856
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:50,250
bridge and look through what they called

857
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:52,380
the big eyes he's big twenty by 120 I

858
00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:56,160
think binoculars and he says he saw

859
00:38:01,820 --> 00:37:58,920
something now he was very specific that

860
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:01,830
it's indistinct he described it to me as

861
00:38:06,260 --> 00:38:03,810
if you were looking out of the horizon

862
00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:06,270
on a way out there you knew it was

863
00:38:09,830 --> 00:38:08,460
something but you couldn't make out a

864
00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:09,840
feature she couldn't tell his container

865
00:38:15,140 --> 00:38:12,660
ship or whatever and that he would see

866
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:15,150
these and that they would just kind of

867
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:17,940
hover and all of a sudden room he would

868
00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:20,730
describe it was just like it it moves so

869
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:22,740
fast it was this if the brain kind of

870
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:24,510
lagged like it was there and they what

871
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:28,200
oh wow it's thick what happened he said

872
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:29,610
at nighttime that gave off kind of a

873
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:31,410
phosphorous glow so they were easier to

874
00:38:38,570 --> 00:38:35,610
see in the distance but you know he all

875
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:38,580
of these guys are very guarded and when

876
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,410
they say to they they give you this is

877
00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:42,480
my account this is what I say you know

878
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:44,460
this is my opinion I looked out there

879
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,730
and feel like I was seeing something was

880
00:38:52,340 --> 00:38:49,920
it the ticktacktrade force all they

881
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:52,350
don't know was it their mind playing

882
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:54,300
tricks on him maybe you know they

883
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:55,680
they're willing to concede that but he

884
00:38:59,060 --> 00:38:57,090
definitely does feel like he saw

885
00:39:01,070 --> 00:38:59,070
something out there and the same at the

886
00:39:02,690 --> 00:39:01,080
same time that they were around the same

887
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:02,700
time that they were seeing by the f-18

888
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:05,130
fighters correct so that would be you

889
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:06,690
know it's kind of a stroke well excuse

890
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:09,510
me let me back up no during the f-18

891
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:12,480
encounters he did not they were too far

892
00:39:17,570 --> 00:39:14,730
away from the ship but their problem

893
00:39:20,780 --> 00:39:17,580
within a day or two of that right this

894
00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:20,790
winter well they were they were tracking

895
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,400
these objects for about five days before

896
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:25,200
they ever sent up the planes and so yes

897
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:29,310
in in the preceding days and yes let's

898
00:39:34,970 --> 00:39:31,800
talk about the mini controversy which is

899
00:39:38,450 --> 00:39:34,980
what you know did men come on board the

900
00:39:41,810 --> 00:39:38,460
Princeton and take things away fray ver

901
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,820
says that nobody took anything away yet

902
00:39:47,180 --> 00:39:43,920
these guys I think say that yes things

903
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:47,190
were taken away yes absolutely that was

904
00:39:53,570 --> 00:39:52,050
one of the things that Gary Voorhees in

905
00:39:56,540 --> 00:39:53,580
particular because these were his

906
00:39:58,100 --> 00:39:56,550
stumps he said the aegis system and in

907
00:40:00,080 --> 00:39:58,110
these tapes like he was he was in charge

908
00:40:03,350 --> 00:40:00,090
of maintaining it he described it he's a

909
00:40:06,650 --> 00:40:03,360
fancy computer tech and these were his

910
00:40:09,710 --> 00:40:06,660
systems and so he said you know

911
00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:09,720
absolutely he was told to turn over all

912
00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:12,300
of his data from the aegis systems that

913
00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:14,750
come to the radio data basically

914
00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:19,800
everything to his command staff they

915
00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:22,380
were with two other individuals that

916
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:24,390
nobody recognized nobody knew where they

917
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:27,480
you know who they were and that this

918
00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:30,240
information was assumed to be handed

919
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:34,680
over to them and so his data gets turned

920
00:40:40,460 --> 00:40:38,040
in there Ryan we go who is the most

921
00:40:43,850 --> 00:40:40,470
recent witness to kind of come forward

922
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:43,860
he was a power plant specialist on that

923
00:40:48,070 --> 00:40:45,450
on the helicopter squadron there was a

924
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:48,080
stationed on the USS Princeton and so

925
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:51,960
he's with a detachment and so they're

926
00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:53,940
attached to the ship but you might say

927
00:41:00,140 --> 00:40:55,020
it's kind of like the high school

928
00:41:01,340 --> 00:41:00,150
they're the they're the just transplants

929
00:41:02,510 --> 00:41:01,350
on there but they're not the guys that

930
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:02,520
are always on the ship so they're a

931
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:04,320
little bit detached but he's on the air

932
00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:07,170
wing when helicopters land and come and

933
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:11,160
go and you know he told me at the time

934
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:14,310
he didn't seem odd but two gentlemen

935
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:17,460
arrived via a Seahawk helicopter a Navy

936
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:21,780
helicopter these individuals hot seeded

937
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:23,610
meaning they took one of their

938
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:27,720
helicopters and were flown somewhere he

939
00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:30,510
doesn't know where they returned they

940
00:41:34,850 --> 00:41:32,700
had with them they were carrying black

941
00:41:36,830 --> 00:41:34,860
bags they retired to what's called the

942
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:36,840
Admirals quarters he told me he said

943
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:38,460
it's a large section of the ship you

944
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,930
know it was a secure place he didn't

945
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:44,880
think much about it at the time because

946
00:41:50,330 --> 00:41:48,000
he said this you know people come and go

947
00:41:54,590 --> 00:41:50,340
from the ship and you know individuals

948
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,600
that like this do come from time to time

949
00:41:58,580 --> 00:41:56,880
and it's one of these things that you

950
00:41:59,930 --> 00:41:58,590
know your jobs compartmentalized you

951
00:42:01,610 --> 00:41:59,940
work on this helicopter that's what you

952
00:42:03,140 --> 00:42:01,620
work on you worry about that but don't

953
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:03,150
worry about anything else he just his

954
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:05,370
exact words were I knew they were there

955
00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:06,560
to do something I do

956
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:08,270
they were there to do something and just

957
00:42:11,620 --> 00:42:09,920
stay the hell out of their way it

958
00:42:14,620 --> 00:42:11,630
wouldn't be till later here are these

959
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:14,630
other accountants now PJ Hughes who was

960
00:42:17,950 --> 00:42:16,490
on the minutes and so he's on the

961
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:17,960
aircraft carrier these other guys on the

962
00:42:24,070 --> 00:42:21,440
Princeton miles away his job actually

963
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:24,080
he was an aviation technician on the e2

964
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:26,330
hawkeye's which is the airborne

965
00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:28,010
early-warning detection planes a big

966
00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:29,630
satellite dish on the top if you ever

967
00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:32,360
seen those planes and part of his job

968
00:42:36,580 --> 00:42:34,520
was to remove these data brakes on the

969
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:36,590
plane that report all sorts of stuff

970
00:42:41,410 --> 00:42:39,680
including what to find see his plane

971
00:42:43,450 --> 00:42:41,420
unbeknownst to him

972
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:43,460
Kevin day who was the chief here back

973
00:42:50,170 --> 00:42:46,640
air combat controller oh it's me - I

974
00:42:52,090 --> 00:42:50,180
haven't mentioned much of him yet he

975
00:42:56,050 --> 00:42:52,100
initially tried to get the e-2 Hawkeye

976
00:42:59,170 --> 00:42:56,060
to intercept this these anomalous

977
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,180
contacts and they were unsuccessful in

978
00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:01,040
doing that however unbeknownst to him

979
00:43:06,310 --> 00:43:03,350
the brics he was removing were from the

980
00:43:08,620 --> 00:43:06,320
c2 Hawkeye he says he removed them

981
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:08,630
secured them in a classified safe like

982
00:43:14,590 --> 00:43:11,510
normal and then shortly after that two

983
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:14,600
gentlemen showed up who he said I'd

984
00:43:17,650 --> 00:43:15,770
never seen him before

985
00:43:19,690 --> 00:43:17,660
don't know who they are with his

986
00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:19,700
commander and who said unlock the safe

987
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:22,670
give us the Briggs he handed him over to

988
00:43:28,510 --> 00:43:25,310
them they departed that was from the

989
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:28,520
demos yes that was from the minutes and

990
00:43:34,180 --> 00:43:31,970
so we referring yeah and sorry and the

991
00:43:36,990 --> 00:43:34,190
other guy is saying that there was two

992
00:43:39,490 --> 00:43:37,000
guys on the Princeton taking stuff away

993
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:39,500
correct tracing the events of what

994
00:43:42,940 --> 00:43:41,210
they're saying you know we can just just

995
00:43:44,290 --> 00:43:42,950
buy they're using abductive logic by

996
00:43:46,930 --> 00:43:44,300
their accounts it would appear to

997
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:46,940
Division of the Princeton took all their

998
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:49,370
data first which would make sense they

999
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:51,890
are kind of the brains of the carrier

1000
00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:53,570
group there they're the missile cruiser

1001
00:43:57,610 --> 00:43:55,220
they're the air back combat controller

1002
00:43:59,110 --> 00:43:57,620
they've got the fancy stuff that project

1003
00:44:02,860 --> 00:43:59,120
most of it to the rest of the fleet and

1004
00:44:06,450 --> 00:44:02,870
then when Ryan we go watches them fly

1005
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:06,460
off somewhere else it would appear they

1006
00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:09,370
flew to the Nimitz and secured that data

1007
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:11,750
at that same time nobody's come forward

1008
00:44:16,450 --> 00:44:13,880
and saying I saw him land on the Nimitz

1009
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:16,460
just on the Princeton but but they did

1010
00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:19,610
return back to the Princeton and with

1011
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:22,700
these bags that are the same as what pj

1012
00:44:28,770 --> 00:44:25,610
hughes described he put the data brakes

1013
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:28,780
in and so just tracing those steps it

1014
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:33,050
certainly seems very likely that that

1015
00:44:39,340 --> 00:44:37,130
happened for me obviously I've got all

1016
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:39,350
these gentleman's accounts and like I

1017
00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:41,690
said one thing is an investigator I had

1018
00:44:45,810 --> 00:44:43,070
kind of going against me is that these

1019
00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:45,820
these guys had become familiar weather

1020
00:44:52,270 --> 00:44:48,950
each other because of mr. Bedi and it's

1021
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:52,280
done and so it was incumbent upon me I

1022
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,570
felt like I supposed to trying to put

1023
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:54,800
something out in a publication like

1024
00:44:58,180 --> 00:44:56,330
Popular Mechanics that I do my due

1025
00:45:01,120 --> 00:44:58,190
diligence and verify what they're saying

1026
00:45:03,790 --> 00:45:01,130
and so I just started going through the

1027
00:45:06,670 --> 00:45:03,800
roster of the president of guys I knew

1028
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:06,680
who were there and and people who should

1029
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:09,200
have been in the know and tried to find

1030
00:45:16,030 --> 00:45:12,800
a purely virgin witness who had not

1031
00:45:19,690 --> 00:45:16,040
spoken out before and and see what they

1032
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:19,700
told me I was successful in that this

1033
00:45:22,540 --> 00:45:21,440
person didn't want to go on the record

1034
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:22,550
for it because they were worried about

1035
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,010
their security of however I did fed him

1036
00:45:29,290 --> 00:45:27,680
verifying him and made sure it was at

1037
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:29,300
the standards that Popular Mechanics and

1038
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:31,250
the editorial staff would stand by me

1039
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:33,170
saying okay yeah he said this this is

1040
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:36,560
true and he was working in an Operations

1041
00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:38,930
capacity inside the radar room would

1042
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:42,710
have had knowledge and in the position

1043
00:45:49,810 --> 00:45:45,770
that he holds now is one of public trust

1044
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:49,820
and that you know he's a good witness

1045
00:45:55,540 --> 00:45:52,880
and he was surprised when I reach out to

1046
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:55,550
him because he said oh wow nobody's

1047
00:45:59,740 --> 00:45:57,530
really talking about this and he was

1048
00:46:02,680 --> 00:45:59,750
unaware that his other fellow sailors

1049
00:46:04,930 --> 00:46:02,690
had come out he knew that the story had

1050
00:46:06,490 --> 00:46:04,940
broke out at 2017 he said I've tried to

1051
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:06,500
show some my co-workers and stuff

1052
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,410
they're like yeah whatever dude he was a

1053
00:46:14,650 --> 00:46:11,680
little excited about that but I said man

1054
00:46:15,970 --> 00:46:14,660
tell me what happened and so no context

1055
00:46:18,670 --> 00:46:15,980
I didn't give me anybody's background

1056
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:18,680
and he said he told me about the fire in

1057
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:20,510
her sentence and we sent him up there

1058
00:46:24,490 --> 00:46:22,310
and according to the pilots it was

1059
00:46:27,610 --> 00:46:24,500
moving crazy at the five laws of physics

1060
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:27,620
and he said but what was really weird

1061
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:29,630
he's these two guys showed up and took

1062
00:46:34,330 --> 00:46:32,090
all our top-secret classified data

1063
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:34,340
just completely out we had to you know

1064
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:36,110
start from scratch as if you everything

1065
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:40,850
was brand new that was a lot of all of a

1066
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:43,280
sudden you're like okay now we've got a

1067
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:45,290
pure witness who's not coming from

1068
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:49,040
anybody here I think in attention

1069
00:46:55,420 --> 00:46:53,330
doesn't want it now and but for him to

1070
00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:55,430
corroborate that I've walked away from

1071
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:58,970
that saying that as an investigator I

1072
00:47:03,130 --> 00:47:01,280
you know there's a preponderance of

1073
00:47:07,780 --> 00:47:03,140
evidence that would suggest that is

1074
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:07,790
accurate it also suggests to me as well

1075
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:09,290
because I'm the commander flavor has

1076
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:11,890
kind of said that that didn't happen and

1077
00:47:17,550 --> 00:47:15,890
in my opinion based on what all these

1078
00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:17,560
guys told me and everything

1079
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:20,180
overwhelmingly I think he's fascinating

1080
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:22,130
too and I maybe I didn't really hit on

1081
00:47:26,590 --> 00:47:23,450
that in the article is whoever these

1082
00:47:28,900 --> 00:47:26,600
people were they had carte blanche to go

1083
00:47:32,170 --> 00:47:28,910
on the ships they had some clout to go

1084
00:47:35,770 --> 00:47:32,180
on these ships they didn't care to talk

1085
00:47:38,170 --> 00:47:35,780
to any eyewitnesses why I don't know you

1086
00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:38,180
know they didn't care what the pilots

1087
00:47:41,620 --> 00:47:40,280
eyewitness accounts were I could have

1088
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:41,630
got it from the video data or whatever

1089
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,310
they didn't care they wanted that

1090
00:47:48,190 --> 00:47:45,920
electronics data that was what was of

1091
00:47:50,170 --> 00:47:48,200
paramount concern to them and frankly

1092
00:47:53,860 --> 00:47:50,180
given the response that we see a lot of

1093
00:47:56,290 --> 00:47:53,870
this today and that these guys stories

1094
00:47:57,940 --> 00:47:56,300
about that being taken had really not

1095
00:48:00,340 --> 00:47:57,950
been put out there until this this

1096
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:00,350
recent article well-favored you know may

1097
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:01,730
not have been privy to it so that's

1098
00:48:05,830 --> 00:48:03,890
certainly one explanation right as to

1099
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:05,840
how he wouldn't necessarily have known

1100
00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:08,690
that the other thing is you mentioned

1101
00:48:13,450 --> 00:48:11,720
that flavor divot did have some

1102
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:13,460
interaction with someone where he was

1103
00:48:17,770 --> 00:48:14,810
demanding no no no no I'm keeping my

1104
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:17,780
tapes who who was that that flavor was

1105
00:48:23,590 --> 00:48:22,010
interacting with I don't know other than

1106
00:48:25,060 --> 00:48:23,600
you know because again this is one of

1107
00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:25,070
these things I'm very careful of what

1108
00:48:29,170 --> 00:48:26,630
you know now we're kind of candidly

1109
00:48:30,340 --> 00:48:29,180
talking to try to work through it but

1110
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:30,350
when it comes to what I'm going to put

1111
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:31,610
in an article and everything be very

1112
00:48:35,710 --> 00:48:33,170
careful of what information I stand

1113
00:48:37,690 --> 00:48:35,720
behind and so that was a secondhand

1114
00:48:40,660 --> 00:48:37,700
source of information that came from

1115
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:40,670
another pilot who if I ever had spoken

1116
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:44,090
with out there I'm assuming based on

1117
00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:45,210
what they said it was someone

1118
00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:47,400
CV I see which is their intelligent

1119
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:48,990
that's Center who would have been

1120
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:50,220
downloading these tapes

1121
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:52,380
no one from that capacity has come

1122
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:56,970
forward and in fact only the PJ used

1123
00:49:00,500 --> 00:48:58,260
from the Nimitz we really haven't had

1124
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:00,510
any in favor from the Nimitz have come

1125
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:05,730
forward and so I don't know no no and

1126
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:07,740
again though their positions in that

1127
00:49:12,290 --> 00:49:10,710
room would have been carrying a lot

1128
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:12,300
higher these guys have been dealing with

1129
00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:14,610
some heavy-duty top-secret stuff and so

1130
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:17,460
it's likely they're not going to come

1131
00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:19,050
for it okay well now I'm going to

1132
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:21,950
connect this tutor burr tell me again

1133
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,240
what's the name of the YouTube

1134
00:49:29,060 --> 00:49:25,920
documentary where that a lot of these

1135
00:49:31,850 --> 00:49:29,070
guys were on the Nimitz Encounters

1136
00:49:35,330 --> 00:49:31,860
Nimitz and counties car yes yeah and was

1137
00:49:38,420 --> 00:49:35,340
one of the guys first name Ryan that's

1138
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:38,430
Ryan yeah well no Ryan wig guilt is the

1139
00:49:43,630 --> 00:49:40,170
the recent witness

1140
00:49:46,010 --> 00:49:43,640
I believe mr. Beatty did record a audio

1141
00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:46,020
interview with him and put it on there

1142
00:49:52,970 --> 00:49:48,750
but does not appear that self okay so

1143
00:49:56,180 --> 00:49:52,980
because this is a turbo left a comment

1144
00:49:58,820 --> 00:49:56,190
on one of those videos I'm not sure

1145
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:58,830
exactly which one I just copied it and

1146
00:50:03,740 --> 00:50:01,920
printed it out for this interview but

1147
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:03,750
here's what he says because and then

1148
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:05,850
this links us right into the the turbo

1149
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:06,720
interview that I did

1150
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:09,900
he says Ryan your story matches mine

1151
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:12,450
which was partially released prior to

1152
00:50:16,700 --> 00:50:14,460
this video I can help corroborate your

1153
00:50:18,260 --> 00:50:16,710
story your guests talking about these

1154
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:18,270
two guys that would have come on the

1155
00:50:23,540 --> 00:50:19,200
ship

1156
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:23,550
we're from ARL now you're gonna have to

1157
00:50:26,510 --> 00:50:24,690
perhaps help me with some of the

1158
00:50:30,770 --> 00:50:26,520
Ackermann I know that according to turbo

1159
00:50:32,780 --> 00:50:30,780
it was Air Force people in interprets

1160
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:32,790
information telling him that as you know

1161
00:50:37,780 --> 00:50:34,890
he's reporting these were actually the

1162
00:50:40,850 --> 00:50:37,790
tic tacs actually were Air Force craft

1163
00:50:43,070 --> 00:50:40,860
he's saying that it was Air Force

1164
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:43,080
personnel that came on these ships

1165
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:45,810
I don't know what ARL is do you happen

1166
00:50:51,940 --> 00:50:49,140
to know what that is not my head so your

1167
00:50:59,100 --> 00:50:51,950
guests were from ARL and out of

1168
00:51:05,950 --> 00:51:04,360
ttyl yes and I have I do I believe I

1169
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:05,960
have seen this message we go ahead sorry

1170
00:51:11,050 --> 00:51:09,170
okay but what is wright-patterson if you

1171
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,060
know and what is T oh yes I'm sorry

1172
00:51:15,940 --> 00:51:14,240
right right right Patterson he is the

1173
00:51:17,820 --> 00:51:15,950
Air Force Base in Ohio right Patterson

1174
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:17,830
handles the foreign technology division

1175
00:51:23,350 --> 00:51:19,970
scientific Air Force up so that you know

1176
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:23,360
kind of the one of the many labs okay in

1177
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:26,510
what is TTY TV well I temporary duty

1178
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,090
assignments oh so they were just sent

1179
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:31,760
for a temporary reassignment to San

1180
00:51:37,150 --> 00:51:33,890
Diego I guess good good I'm impressed

1181
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:37,160
that you knew that as I said continuing

1182
00:51:45,370 --> 00:51:41,090
and left Princeton bound bound for

1183
00:51:48,430 --> 00:51:45,380
Vandenberg Air Force Base and plant 42

1184
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:48,440
which is as you know where turbo claims

1185
00:51:53,380 --> 00:51:50,810
these things were manufactured and then

1186
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:53,390
home at the following week this was a

1187
00:52:00,910 --> 00:51:57,850
United States Air Force ARL operation in

1188
00:52:02,530 --> 00:52:00,920
conjunction with DARPA which we know

1189
00:52:05,170 --> 00:52:02,540
what DARP is based on our conversation

1190
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:05,180
with them and so on that the Department

1191
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:07,510
of Defense and there's secret programs

1192
00:52:18,750 --> 00:52:13,970
and NRL you know what NRL is National

1193
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:18,760
Reconnaissance it may be Air Force

1194
00:52:23,590 --> 00:52:21,290
research labs as well in conjunction

1195
00:52:26,020 --> 00:52:23,600
with DARPA and NRL to test the craft

1196
00:52:29,650 --> 00:52:26,030
commonly referred to as tic-tac your

1197
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:29,660
tic-tac group were made at plant 42 in

1198
00:52:35,590 --> 00:52:32,650
trucked to Vandenberg in 53-foot trucks

1199
00:52:38,590 --> 00:52:35,600
the tic-tac is about 46 feet long so

1200
00:52:40,570 --> 00:52:38,600
they can be trucked from Vandenberg so

1201
00:52:44,490 --> 00:52:40,580
they can be trucked from Vandenberg they

1202
00:52:48,070 --> 00:52:44,500
were flown low and slow via our PA

1203
00:52:56,020 --> 00:52:48,080
pilots that remote something remote

1204
00:52:59,980 --> 00:52:56,030
mm-hmm out past ADIZ you know what that

1205
00:53:04,530 --> 00:53:02,320
the past eighteen dipped in just below

1206
00:53:10,210 --> 00:53:04,540
San Clemente Island below normal radar

1207
00:53:11,350 --> 00:53:10,220
from their spy 1b whatever that is

1208
00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:11,360
should have acquired the

1209
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,880
the cracks is that the radar system yeah

1210
00:53:17,950 --> 00:53:15,920
that's the in fact that is the advanced

1211
00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:17,960
testing that was brand new at the time

1212
00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:20,990
yes that's where they would have picked

1213
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:23,390
him up after that it was all US Air

1214
00:53:27,790 --> 00:53:26,240
Force testing how Nimitz CIC would

1215
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:27,800
respond in an effort to gain knowledge

1216
00:53:33,010 --> 00:53:30,050
on how our own forces would react to

1217
00:53:36,010 --> 00:53:33,020
them the rest you know the objects are

1218
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:36,020
certainly terrestrial and are ours and

1219
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:38,690
obviously they have highly advanced

1220
00:53:41,620 --> 00:53:40,250
propulsion developed by a few

1221
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:41,630
universities and subsequently

1222
00:53:47,550 --> 00:53:43,850
that technology made its way to DARPA in

1223
00:53:51,070 --> 00:53:47,560
ARL and NRL and yes upper brass knew

1224
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:51,080
what was going on which is why the NDA's

1225
00:53:55,180 --> 00:53:53,510
were pretty much already written in your

1226
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:55,190
United States Air Force guests were

1227
00:53:59,980 --> 00:53:57,680
already on site I'm not sure if they

1228
00:54:02,650 --> 00:53:59,990
actually they were actually inside CIC

1229
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:02,660
but I would not doubt it

1230
00:54:09,730 --> 00:54:06,410
what CIC you do a combat Information

1231
00:54:11,890 --> 00:54:09,740
Center the the guys comecomecome that

1232
00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:11,900
you think of the the movies where

1233
00:54:15,310 --> 00:54:13,430
everything is going on the command

1234
00:54:17,110 --> 00:54:15,320
center if you want it they certainly

1235
00:54:21,970 --> 00:54:17,120
took a lot of equipment off your birds

1236
00:54:25,530 --> 00:54:21,980
for evaluation this is enough for now so

1237
00:54:27,820 --> 00:54:25,540
that's the extent of his message so what

1238
00:54:29,470 --> 00:54:27,830
interpret that turbo message for us

1239
00:54:30,820 --> 00:54:29,480
based on everything that you learned and

1240
00:54:34,060 --> 00:54:30,830
talking to the guys around that we're on

1241
00:54:35,740 --> 00:54:34,070
the ships sure yeah yeah hey it's a

1242
00:54:38,380 --> 00:54:35,750
Roenick now because I didn't know that's

1243
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:38,390
who it was but I have mr. Beatty

1244
00:54:41,620 --> 00:54:39,890
actually passed that along because that

1245
00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:41,630
message came in while I was writing this

1246
00:54:48,070 --> 00:54:45,070
piece before went out to publication

1247
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:48,080
well you know and what did baby have to

1248
00:54:51,310 --> 00:54:49,370
say about that because that's probably

1249
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:51,320
the first time anybody had told him that

1250
00:55:00,970 --> 00:54:55,520
these attack crafts are US Air Force

1251
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:00,980
oh no he gets a lot of messages like I

1252
00:55:06,790 --> 00:55:05,450
said I've known baby for a while and you

1253
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:06,800
know he gets a lot of money he just got

1254
00:55:10,570 --> 00:55:08,480
a message from somebody saying that they

1255
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:10,580
would sell him a picture that 100%

1256
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:13,730
verifies UFOs for 50 grand

1257
00:55:17,740 --> 00:55:16,400
so anybody crowd-sourced I thought it

1258
00:55:20,820 --> 00:55:17,750
was great you got a you know the

1259
00:55:24,270 --> 00:55:20,830
Nigerian prince scam ahead of a UFO deal

1260
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:24,280
but um he's actually had a consider

1261
00:55:29,220 --> 00:55:26,890
and you know he gets some mind away

1262
00:55:31,530 --> 00:55:29,230
because he knows I've been looking at

1263
00:55:34,590 --> 00:55:31,540
this for quite a few months still AM

1264
00:55:36,930 --> 00:55:34,600
it's not solved for me so I'm very

1265
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:36,940
curious and Beatty is the f-18 fighter

1266
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:40,690
pilot the pilot right no no baby is the

1267
00:55:44,850 --> 00:55:43,210
film maker of the Nimitz oh okay sorry

1268
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,860
sorry I thought he was that mild that

1269
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:46,240
you had a personal connection with okay

1270
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:49,090
so the guy who had shot the YouTube

1271
00:55:57,740 --> 00:55:53,920
documentary he read turbos message and

1272
00:56:02,730 --> 00:56:00,390
there was just a lot of different things

1273
00:56:05,550 --> 00:56:02,740
that are kind of inconsistent one of the

1274
00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:05,560
first things I would say is inconsistent

1275
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,400
is I mean let me break down a couple of

1276
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:10,960
things because I know from his interview

1277
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:14,890
and I want a caveat and always when I

1278
00:56:20,310 --> 00:56:18,490
get out always I don't know and so I'm

1279
00:56:21,570 --> 00:56:20,320
interested in what he has to say there's

1280
00:56:23,610 --> 00:56:21,580
some questions that I would have for him

1281
00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:23,620
that I would be interested in and see if

1282
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:26,140
he could answer because he may be right

1283
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:29,110
abductive logic says it's human

1284
00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:30,640
technology okay

1285
00:56:34,140 --> 00:56:32,260
and I say that because we don't have any

1286
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:34,150
bro contrary to what some people believe

1287
00:56:41,850 --> 00:56:36,690
we don't have any alien evidence

1288
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:41,860
conclusively that said in terms of

1289
00:56:46,650 --> 00:56:43,510
busting them down there all this kind of

1290
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:46,660
stuff going from plant 42 well I'm

1291
00:56:52,110 --> 00:56:47,950
trying to figure out what parts to break

1292
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:52,120
down first one let's go with that it was

1293
00:56:58,170 --> 00:56:54,850
a testing okay you want to we'll start

1294
00:57:02,460 --> 00:56:58,180
there the jerk was an advanced testing I

1295
00:57:05,130 --> 00:57:02,470
spoke to several people that were from

1296
00:57:07,410 --> 00:57:05,140
both defendants journalists and that

1297
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:07,420
came out of the classified testing world

1298
00:57:13,230 --> 00:57:10,510
and in fact another article coming out

1299
00:57:15,330 --> 00:57:13,240
this next week or two with the warzone

1300
00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:15,340
but issues strictly focused on my

1301
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:17,950
interview with T Barnes a former or

1302
00:57:24,210 --> 00:57:20,290
special projects engineer at area 51 it

1303
00:57:26,250 --> 00:57:24,220
is what he did and CIA executive team

1304
00:57:27,810 --> 00:57:26,260
petit who is the grandfather of

1305
00:57:31,740 --> 00:57:27,820
electronics work there and got their

1306
00:57:33,420 --> 00:57:31,750
opinions of it in addition to I think

1307
00:57:35,970 --> 00:57:33,430
any appears in the article is Nick cook

1308
00:57:37,620 --> 00:57:35,980
of his former aviation editor at chance

1309
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:37,630
defense

1310
00:57:42,269 --> 00:57:40,089
for me he was a very significant witness

1311
00:57:46,220 --> 00:57:42,279
because I knew that he had actually

1312
00:57:49,170 --> 00:57:46,230
spent over a decade searching for secret

1313
00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:49,180
anti-gravity technology that existed and

1314
00:57:54,210 --> 00:57:52,809
his Jan's defenses arguably the Bible of

1315
00:57:57,499 --> 00:57:54,220
the defense industry and so I feel like

1316
00:58:01,470 --> 00:57:57,509
if anybody would know he might know yeah

1317
00:58:03,870 --> 00:58:01,480
no one was able to say that this kind of

1318
00:58:05,849 --> 00:58:03,880
technology if we take for face value

1319
00:58:08,430 --> 00:58:05,859
what these guys say they saw both the

1320
00:58:12,690 --> 00:58:08,440
pilots and the these other sailors and

1321
00:58:16,349 --> 00:58:12,700
the videos we're not just talking about

1322
00:58:19,460 --> 00:58:16,359
one aerospace breakthrough here and so

1323
00:58:23,220 --> 00:58:19,470
we're talking about multiple things that

1324
00:58:27,269 --> 00:58:23,230
to our knowledge we can't achieve that's

1325
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:27,279
known which is instantaneous hyper hyper

1326
00:58:33,029 --> 00:58:31,089
velocity acceleration if the what these

1327
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:33,039
guys saw in the videos is accurate we're

1328
00:58:38,930 --> 00:58:35,890
talking about acute right angle turns at

1329
00:58:44,490 --> 00:58:38,940
hypersonic speed I mean that's you know

1330
00:58:46,170 --> 00:58:44,500
no sonic booms there were none no one

1331
00:58:47,789 --> 00:58:46,180
reported any of them and if there had

1332
00:58:49,470 --> 00:58:47,799
been sonic booms from this even though

1333
00:58:50,759 --> 00:58:49,480
they were way out of eyesight they would

1334
00:58:52,499 --> 00:58:50,769
have heard I don't know if anybody's

1335
00:58:54,539 --> 00:58:52,509
ever heard about I've been there when a

1336
00:58:56,670 --> 00:58:54,549
space shuttle landed of all things years

1337
00:58:59,880 --> 00:58:56,680
ago and it's loud

1338
00:59:03,589 --> 00:58:59,890
so no sonic booms the ability to stop

1339
00:59:06,690 --> 00:59:03,599
and go to these speeds that the

1340
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:06,700
materials needed to travel at that speed

1341
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:09,130
so there's so many different factors

1342
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:10,079
here

1343
00:59:16,109 --> 00:59:13,210
it just isn't known so not only is

1344
00:59:18,359 --> 00:59:16,119
somebody gonna have to overcome a few

1345
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:18,369
things when it comes to the classified

1346
00:59:24,359 --> 00:59:20,529
area a VA ssin world they're gonna have

1347
00:59:26,130 --> 00:59:24,369
to overcome a lot more importantly Kevin

1348
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,140
day who we didn't really talk about but

1349
00:59:30,299 --> 00:59:28,960
he was the he's the chief air combat

1350
00:59:32,970 --> 00:59:30,309
controller there was in the Princeton

1351
00:59:36,329 --> 00:59:32,980
like this is the guy who made the call

1352
00:59:38,970 --> 00:59:36,339
but these contacts are weird it is he's

1353
00:59:41,579 --> 00:59:38,980
the guy who convinced his commander to

1354
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:41,589
send ef8 teens to go find them and he's

1355
00:59:47,789 --> 00:59:44,529
the guy who directed them in so he was a

1356
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:47,799
guy who had 18 years experience combat

1357
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:49,529
experience you name it he's the guy who

1358
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:51,310
who did

1359
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:56,530
all of that and when you're looking at

1360
01:00:01,410 --> 00:59:58,240
what he's seeing on the scopes and this

1361
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:01,420
type of stuff and is it being physical

1362
01:00:06,330 --> 01:00:04,690
crap he if we take what he saw is

1363
01:00:10,110 --> 01:00:06,340
actually being physical crafted any one

1364
01:00:14,940 --> 01:00:10,120
given time he saw he told me up to 10 at

1365
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:14,950
certain points so that would mean that

1366
01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:17,050
we're talking about an advanced

1367
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:19,960
aerospace program that has been able to

1368
01:00:23,940 --> 01:00:21,760
overcome all the things I mentioned

1369
01:00:26,970 --> 01:00:23,950
before didn't even touch on control

1370
01:00:28,770 --> 01:00:26,980
surfaces they're flying without any kind

1371
01:00:30,060 --> 01:00:28,780
of control propulsion and control

1372
01:00:33,420 --> 01:00:30,070
surfaces were familiar with there's no

1373
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:33,430
Wayans there's no rotors and there would

1374
01:00:38,610 --> 01:00:35,920
be ten of them to put that in

1375
01:00:41,460 --> 01:00:38,620
perspective that's almost half as many

1376
01:00:44,940 --> 01:00:41,470
b-2 stealth bombers have ever been

1377
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:44,950
produced and that's a 3040 year old

1378
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:49,090
program so this would be a stream Lee

1379
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:53,110
advanced amateur program to have that

1380
01:01:00,330 --> 01:00:56,880
many the mature and advanced enough that

1381
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:00,340
these are prototype you don't mean

1382
01:01:04,770 --> 01:01:03,280
you're not gonna spend X number of

1383
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:04,780
billion dollars to build a prototype and

1384
01:01:10,970 --> 01:01:06,880
then say you know what it's built in a

1385
01:01:14,010 --> 01:01:10,980
pump and then go test them out so that

1386
01:01:18,170 --> 01:01:14,020
is odd but I'm open to anything I think

1387
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:18,180
it's interesting the other thing in both

1388
01:01:24,030 --> 01:01:21,250
you know cook with chance defense

1389
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:24,040
mentioned as well and I take his opinion

1390
01:01:28,590 --> 01:01:26,110
very highly because he's been doing the

1391
01:01:31,500 --> 01:01:28,600
aerospace defense journalism world a lot

1392
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:31,510
longer than me and he said it would just

1393
01:01:38,310 --> 01:01:34,170
be so against the grain of how

1394
01:01:41,460 --> 01:01:38,320
classified testing is done you don't

1395
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:41,470
need I agree with what he said in terms

1396
01:01:44,910 --> 01:01:43,810
of that you do test your technology on

1397
01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:44,920
yourself

1398
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:46,990
absolutely you have aggressive units you

1399
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:48,970
do this kind of stuff but those are in

1400
01:01:56,340 --> 01:01:53,440
control closed settings because you're

1401
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:56,350
not going to you ran the risk of 5,000

1402
01:02:03,210 --> 01:01:59,440
eyewitnesses to your stuff like why do

1403
01:02:04,770 --> 01:02:03,220
that that in itself you know he

1404
01:02:07,710 --> 01:02:04,780
explained was so against the grain

1405
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:07,720
when I talked to TD Barnes it was the

1406
01:02:14,060 --> 01:02:10,330
area 51 engineer worked on the a12

1407
01:02:17,550 --> 01:02:14,070
oxcart program and worked on some of the

1408
01:02:21,930 --> 01:02:17,560
real quote secret space programs out of

1409
01:02:26,610 --> 01:02:21,940
NASA's beta range you know he does not

1410
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:26,620
believe that they're alien he has

1411
01:02:32,010 --> 01:02:28,810
another theory for it but when I pushed

1412
01:02:35,970 --> 01:02:32,020
him on hey is this characteristic of how

1413
01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:35,980
you guys tested advanced aerospace

1414
01:02:42,990 --> 01:02:38,260
platforms that everyone it's big part of

1415
01:02:48,180 --> 01:02:43,000
his job and he didn't push back yet he

1416
01:02:49,650 --> 01:02:48,190
said not really because he explained

1417
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,660
when they tested advanced aerospace

1418
01:02:54,030 --> 01:02:51,520
platforms out of area 51 they would

1419
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:54,040
bring in National Guard units from out

1420
01:02:56,820 --> 01:02:55,210
of the area because they're easier to

1421
01:02:58,590 --> 01:02:56,830
control it's smaller you know they'll

1422
01:03:01,500 --> 01:02:58,600
spread back the dissemination of

1423
01:03:05,370 --> 01:03:01,510
information is less but they would know

1424
01:03:09,420 --> 01:03:05,380
hey you're going against a classified

1425
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:09,430
technology do what you do but this is

1426
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:11,680
classified and don't say a word about it

1427
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:14,710
you're going to prison and they would do

1428
01:03:19,050 --> 01:03:17,290
it over you know somewhere like area 51

1429
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:19,060
there's one of these other testing

1430
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:22,000
righteous and so they he did not

1431
01:03:29,490 --> 01:03:25,210
pushback from the fact that so they

1432
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:29,500
would have unknown hey and you know I

1433
01:03:33,870 --> 01:03:30,850
got that from the guys I was one of the

1434
01:03:35,010 --> 01:03:33,880
things that I say they're great Patriots

1435
01:03:36,210 --> 01:03:35,020
and they're great veterans I was

1436
01:03:37,740 --> 01:03:36,220
tremendous respect for him because there

1437
01:03:39,540 --> 01:03:37,750
were certain things that I would ask and

1438
01:03:41,490 --> 01:03:39,550
they say I can't tell you that but it's

1439
01:03:45,060 --> 01:03:41,500
classified you know about capabilities

1440
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:45,070
and systems so I feel completely certain

1441
01:03:48,540 --> 01:03:46,720
if somebody had told commander flavor

1442
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:48,550
there's somebody who told any of these

1443
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:51,490
guys we're doing advanced training here

1444
01:03:56,460 --> 01:03:54,250
you better not say anything or you

1445
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:56,470
better go call it ed Snowden and see if

1446
01:04:00,480 --> 01:03:59,440
you can move in with him they wouldn't

1447
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:00,490
have said anything

1448
01:04:05,310 --> 01:04:02,170
because they would respect the fact that

1449
01:04:07,170 --> 01:04:05,320
it may be its own Wow technology but it

1450
01:04:09,690 --> 01:04:07,180
is ours and there's a reason we keep it

1451
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:09,700
secret and so there was a lot of things

1452
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:13,450
there and he may be correct I was just

1453
01:04:16,140 --> 01:04:14,410
saying that there's a lot of things

1454
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:16,150
based on information I got that seemed

1455
01:04:22,410 --> 01:04:19,650
to be widely

1456
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:22,420
normally how aerospace advanced

1457
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:25,090
aerospace testing would go on with that

1458
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:27,970
said does it rule out that it was an

1459
01:04:33,150 --> 01:04:31,330
advanced aerospace program no in my

1460
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:33,160
opinion if that would be the case it is

1461
01:04:39,450 --> 01:04:35,520
possible that the Nimitz carrier route

1462
01:04:41,610 --> 01:04:39,460
stumbled into it and so I'm open to that

1463
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:41,620
because the area that they were at San

1464
01:04:47,730 --> 01:04:44,400
Clemente Iowa which is right there

1465
01:04:49,860 --> 01:04:47,740
that's a very very little-known that in

1466
01:04:52,770 --> 01:04:49,870
st. Nicholas Island that's right nearby

1467
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:52,780
there those are very little-known spots

1468
01:04:59,220 --> 01:04:56,010
by people but I can tell you that is

1469
01:05:02,430 --> 01:04:59,230
there not text testing the sexy stuff at

1470
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:02,440
area 51 it would be around San Clemente

1471
01:05:08,610 --> 01:05:05,770
and in fact one of the former base

1472
01:05:10,140 --> 01:05:08,620
commander's there told me that or said

1473
01:05:12,270 --> 01:05:10,150
has said that you know there's not a

1474
01:05:13,830 --> 01:05:12,280
weapon system of the u.s. Arsenal at any

1475
01:05:15,930 --> 01:05:13,840
branch that hasn't passed through San

1476
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:15,940
Clemente at some point so this is a very

1477
01:05:20,550 --> 01:05:18,370
I mean if you you pull you up on Google

1478
01:05:22,140 --> 01:05:20,560
Maps you see the air strips you can land

1479
01:05:24,180 --> 01:05:22,150
a space shuttle there there's some

1480
01:05:26,370 --> 01:05:24,190
high-tech stuff there so Randy's are

1481
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:26,380
actually some form of a base on San

1482
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:31,810
Clemente Island yes yes I mean when you

1483
01:05:36,270 --> 01:05:33,310
pull it up you will see what's the big

1484
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:36,280
ears meaning the giant satellite domes

1485
01:05:42,090 --> 01:05:38,770
that look like Epcot Center from Disney

1486
01:05:44,250 --> 01:05:42,100
World you can see that there's some

1487
01:05:46,860 --> 01:05:44,260
real-deal stuff and I was able to talk

1488
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:46,870
to somebody who worked at San Clemente

1489
01:05:52,530 --> 01:05:49,330
who explained it is very much like area

1490
01:05:54,810 --> 01:05:52,540
51 meaning you're flown out of San Diego

1491
01:05:58,590 --> 01:05:54,820
for the week you live there for the week

1492
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:58,600
you go back home and what goes on in San

1493
01:06:02,460 --> 01:06:00,640
Clemente stays on San Clemente you know

1494
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:02,470
he didn't tell me anything that goes on

1495
01:06:07,530 --> 01:06:05,440
there other than mentioning the the the

1496
01:06:09,150 --> 01:06:07,540
creepy part of landing there because the

1497
01:06:12,270 --> 01:06:09,160
strip is right on the edge of the cliffs

1498
01:06:14,490 --> 01:06:12,280
and you can see the remnants of crash

1499
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:14,500
drone systems and stuff they didn't make

1500
01:06:20,010 --> 01:06:16,450
it and so here you are flying on this

1501
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:20,020
little blind oh yeah well you know it so

1502
01:06:27,780 --> 01:06:23,530
the more these craft supposedly can

1503
01:06:29,070 --> 01:06:27,790
travel in air space and underwater so if

1504
01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:29,080
you're gonna test them in any way you

1505
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:30,070
got a test

1506
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:31,930
over the ocean if we can test him

1507
01:06:37,110 --> 01:06:33,250
underwater you can't touch them at area

1508
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:37,120
51 sure yeah yeah absolutely

1509
01:06:41,460 --> 01:06:39,520
and I'll say in regards to that I never

1510
01:06:43,140 --> 01:06:41,470
found any any evidence from any of the

1511
01:06:44,580 --> 01:06:43,150
witnesses anybody that actually says

1512
01:06:47,850 --> 01:06:44,590
these I'll just retract under the water

1513
01:06:50,430 --> 01:06:47,860
and so didn't say it didn't happen yeah

1514
01:06:53,310 --> 01:06:50,440
in fact I think we had a submarine in

1515
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:53,320
the area yes it did not report anything

1516
01:06:57,900 --> 01:06:55,930
despite the fact that there was the

1517
01:07:04,110 --> 01:06:57,910
eyewitness account by the the woman

1518
01:07:05,340 --> 01:07:04,120
pilot right the female pilot well she

1519
01:07:07,340 --> 01:07:05,350
says she saw the disturbance in the

1520
01:07:09,900 --> 01:07:07,350
water commander favors is the same thing

1521
01:07:12,050 --> 01:07:09,910
lieutenant-colonel couth with a marine

1522
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:12,060
squadron says the same thing they saw

1523
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:15,130
what appeared to be the white water

1524
01:07:21,330 --> 01:07:19,930
washing of a submarine but yet nobody

1525
01:07:24,660 --> 01:07:21,340
tracked him underwater

1526
01:07:26,790 --> 01:07:24,670
and actually I did reach out to some of

1527
01:07:29,250 --> 01:07:26,800
the USS Louisville guys who were on the

1528
01:07:30,030 --> 01:07:29,260
sub and they were like I don't know what

1529
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:30,040
you're talking about

1530
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:31,450
like I know the event happened now that

1531
01:07:36,300 --> 01:07:34,480
it came out but they didn't know that

1532
01:07:40,500 --> 01:07:36,310
didn't happen I believe there was a

1533
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:40,510
brief report and unfortunately it was it

1534
01:07:45,060 --> 01:07:43,570
was from Gary for he's who only reported

1535
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:45,070
that somebody had told him that it was

1536
01:07:48,810 --> 01:07:47,290
on the sub and he later came back out

1537
01:07:50,250 --> 01:07:48,820
and said that he was misinformed it

1538
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:50,260
wasn't his fault he was reporting what

1539
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:51,760
they told him but yet there's no

1540
01:07:58,110 --> 01:07:53,530
knowledge they went underwater not to

1541
01:07:59,550 --> 01:07:58,120
say that it hasn't been implied so again

1542
01:08:02,690 --> 01:07:59,560
we're searching for an explanation for

1543
01:08:05,370 --> 01:08:02,700
what these guys saw it's either

1544
01:08:07,350 --> 01:08:05,380
extraterrestrial earthly or their eyes

1545
01:08:09,060 --> 01:08:07,360
are playing tricks on them and playing

1546
01:08:11,030 --> 01:08:09,070
something was playing tricks on the

1547
01:08:14,010 --> 01:08:11,040
radar system

1548
01:08:15,930 --> 01:08:14,020
which by the way that's not totally out

1549
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:15,940
of the realm of possibility based on

1550
01:08:20,460 --> 01:08:17,530
Michael we were just reading that

1551
01:08:23,390 --> 01:08:20,470
article I forget who wrote it about the

1552
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:23,400
technologies as youth that the US has

1553
01:08:28,380 --> 01:08:26,890
Tyler it was actually was Brett tensley

1554
01:08:32,820 --> 01:08:28,390
good friend of mine I write for them

1555
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:32,830
okay with Tyler and no mimesis and in

1556
01:08:37,410 --> 01:08:35,440
fact that I will be doing a follow-up

1557
01:08:40,349 --> 01:08:37,420
piece to that for the war zone should

1558
01:08:43,890 --> 01:08:40,359
come out this week or the following week

1559
01:08:46,230 --> 01:08:43,900
and indeed the Nemesis is phenomenal and

1560
01:08:48,810 --> 01:08:46,240
and that's why I copy so describe

1561
01:08:49,950 --> 01:08:48,820
nemesis just for us in 30 seconds sure

1562
01:08:51,210 --> 01:08:49,960
I'll give you the 30 second because

1563
01:08:53,370 --> 01:08:51,220
Brett's are much better at it

1564
01:08:54,930 --> 01:08:53,380
nemesis isn't awesome I mean this is the

1565
01:08:57,650 --> 01:08:54,940
next level of warfare this is

1566
01:09:01,800 --> 01:08:57,660
electronics warfare in which it infects

1567
01:09:05,070 --> 01:09:01,810
your the system plants false returns and

1568
01:09:06,510 --> 01:09:05,080
allows people to see things are these

1569
01:09:08,190 --> 01:09:06,520
operators to see things that don't exist

1570
01:09:10,440 --> 01:09:08,200
and in fact in the article I'll have

1571
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:10,450
coming out and his follow up I'm going

1572
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:13,210
to go into a 1960s program called

1573
01:09:16,650 --> 01:09:15,040
project lady young that was actually run

1574
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:16,660
I spoke to the man who created that

1575
01:09:21,630 --> 01:09:20,170
program back then and will go into depth

1576
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:21,640
and tell some details have never been

1577
01:09:26,970 --> 01:09:23,890
told before as far as what we did with

1578
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:26,980
Russia and and some of some Russian UFO

1579
01:09:32,790 --> 01:09:30,370
sightings were us because he could it

1580
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:32,800
could infect the system and they could

1581
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:34,000
see things that aren't there

1582
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:36,490
with nemesis is like palladium on

1583
01:09:41,790 --> 01:09:38,530
steroids now it's the high-tech version

1584
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:41,800
it can make fleets show up my

1585
01:09:47,250 --> 01:09:43,810
investigation was limited to the Nimitz

1586
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:47,260
not the Roosevelt 2015 from what I know

1587
01:09:54,180 --> 01:09:49,330
about the roads about 2015

1588
01:09:56,130 --> 01:09:54,190
the Nemesis explanation fits the only

1589
01:09:58,050 --> 01:09:56,140
reason it doesn't fit in this case is

1590
01:10:00,600 --> 01:09:58,060
their accounts of a physical object

1591
01:10:03,180 --> 01:10:00,610
flavor and them of a tic-tac what they

1592
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:03,190
saw but and that's why I caution when I

1593
01:10:08,670 --> 01:10:04,930
say could there have been two you would

1594
01:10:10,350 --> 01:10:08,680
say sorry not only what some say they

1595
01:10:13,820 --> 01:10:10,360
saw with the naked eye but also the

1596
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:13,830
video because theoretically nemesis

1597
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:16,210
causes things to show up on radar but

1598
01:10:21,060 --> 01:10:18,370
you wouldn't see them if you're

1599
01:10:23,340 --> 01:10:21,070
videotaping it is that correct oh no you

1600
01:10:25,980 --> 01:10:23,350
can see my videotape I mean you are

1601
01:10:30,530 --> 01:10:25,990
literally hacking the system and playing

1602
01:10:33,180 --> 01:10:30,540
with people and somebody had a camcorder

1603
01:10:36,930 --> 01:10:33,190
videoing they would see what appeared to

1604
01:10:39,630 --> 01:10:36,940
them to be an aircraft under the Nemesis

1605
01:10:42,030 --> 01:10:39,640
program not you and I if we were filming

1606
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:42,040
from her iPhone or whatnot what they

1607
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:44,080
would - the best analogy was getting

1608
01:10:46,770 --> 01:10:45,310
nemesis there's a lot of classified

1609
01:10:48,900 --> 01:10:46,780
stuff with nemesis so we were able to

1610
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:48,910
get a grant was able to get what was

1611
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:50,290
kind of open-source and what we could

1612
01:10:55,890 --> 01:10:52,810
dig up so what we don't know is funded

1613
01:10:56,580 --> 01:10:55,900
think about but it infects the system

1614
01:10:58,859 --> 01:10:56,590
and when I talk

1615
01:11:00,479 --> 01:10:58,869
the CEC the the co-operative engagement

1616
01:11:03,660 --> 01:11:00,489
computer what that does is it integrates

1617
01:11:06,030 --> 01:11:03,670
the entire fleet is able to see one

1618
01:11:08,220 --> 01:11:06,040
picture because the planes looking at

1619
01:11:10,109 --> 01:11:08,230
something it's going to everybody so you

1620
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:10,119
only need one of those systems and it's

1621
01:11:13,649 --> 01:11:11,770
like spreading a virus throughout it and

1622
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:13,659
it can make all sorts of things show up

1623
01:11:17,970 --> 01:11:15,610
and with these out clear pods and that's

1624
01:11:20,189 --> 01:11:17,980
why I said 15 could be a good

1625
01:11:23,209 --> 01:11:20,199
explanation for that because in 2015

1626
01:11:25,379 --> 01:11:23,219
none of the pilots actually reported

1627
01:11:26,970 --> 01:11:25,389
physically seeing anything with their

1628
01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:26,980
eyes it was always on these act clear

1629
01:11:32,910 --> 01:11:30,070
pods so yes could you project a false

1630
01:11:35,729 --> 01:11:32,920
image in it absolutely and that with the

1631
01:11:39,089 --> 01:11:35,739
Palladium system they they were doing

1632
01:11:40,020 --> 01:11:39,099
that back in the sixties to the point

1633
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:40,030
where like I said lady

1634
01:11:44,459 --> 01:11:41,530
some information has never been out

1635
01:11:46,260 --> 01:11:44,469
there but you know they kind of gene

1636
01:11:48,359 --> 01:11:46,270
fatigue - CIA executive head of that

1637
01:11:51,839 --> 01:11:48,369
program kind of whimsically saying about

1638
01:11:53,820 --> 01:11:51,849
how they had a Russian pilot over Cuba

1639
01:11:55,919 --> 01:11:53,830
during the Cuban Missile Crisis you know

1640
01:11:57,540 --> 01:11:55,929
thinking he was seeing on his radar

1641
01:11:59,370 --> 01:11:57,550
scopes and how that cleared the time a

1642
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,380
real object was getting ready to fire

1643
01:12:03,060 --> 01:12:01,360
missile at it and then they just kind of

1644
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:03,070
like my siding they just flipped it off

1645
01:12:09,810 --> 01:12:08,050
with it where did it go so that's in the

1646
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:09,820
sixties you know we know that they

1647
01:12:13,919 --> 01:12:11,530
develop this capability to attack these

1648
01:12:15,419 --> 01:12:13,929
systems now very common I'm moving the

1649
01:12:16,649 --> 01:12:15,429
other interview he mentions as well and

1650
01:12:19,919 --> 01:12:16,659
when you're developing advanced

1651
01:12:21,810 --> 01:12:19,929
technology it's how can we use this to

1652
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:21,820
defeat potential adversaries but how

1653
01:12:26,939 --> 01:12:23,650
will they use it to defeat us so it's a

1654
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:26,949
simultaneous development process and so

1655
01:12:30,750 --> 01:12:30,400
yeah that that's - you know I go back to

1656
01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:30,760
saying

1657
01:12:34,649 --> 01:12:32,830
koogler have been intent tic-tacs now

1658
01:12:39,810 --> 01:12:34,659
could there have been one that could

1659
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:39,820
project 10 yes that capability exists at

1660
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:44,050
least we know it exists in the 2015 time

1661
01:12:49,770 --> 01:12:46,480
frame and so could it have existed back

1662
01:12:51,390 --> 01:12:49,780
then I got a couple of things for you

1663
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:51,400
you just got another 10 minutes right am

1664
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:54,449
i right on your time approximately yeah

1665
01:13:00,060 --> 01:12:58,210
okay um the Navy patents and that's I

1666
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:00,070
learned about those from from from Brett

1667
01:13:09,549 --> 01:13:08,320
ting kingly so so these yes I talked to

1668
01:13:10,989 --> 01:13:09,559
turbo about them a little bit

1669
01:13:15,329 --> 01:13:10,999
I've read them I'm sure you've read them

1670
01:13:18,429 --> 01:13:15,339
they seem to describe the tic-tac

1671
01:13:19,959 --> 01:13:18,439
spacecraft in in this Navy patent that

1672
01:13:24,339 --> 01:13:19,969
was actually issued earlier this year

1673
01:13:27,429 --> 01:13:24,349
what do you make of that well and that's

1674
01:13:29,319 --> 01:13:27,439
that's Bret's bailiwick because I kind

1675
01:13:30,759 --> 01:13:29,329
of shied away of it and I'll tell you my

1676
01:13:35,229 --> 01:13:30,769
personal opinion which I've told them

1677
01:13:37,329 --> 01:13:35,239
and so it's no secret it's I'm not

1678
01:13:38,979 --> 01:13:37,339
overly impressed with it for the simple

1679
01:13:41,349 --> 01:13:38,989
fact of the matter is and I believe you

1680
01:13:44,829 --> 01:13:41,359
brought this up in a past interview the

1681
01:13:46,419 --> 01:13:44,839
1952 secrecy act if these were legit

1682
01:13:48,069 --> 01:13:46,429
enough that they could account for what

1683
01:13:52,829 --> 01:13:48,079
we're talking about the tic-tac back in

1684
01:13:55,329 --> 01:13:52,839
or whatever we wouldn't know about is I

1685
01:13:58,179 --> 01:13:55,339
the the actual person who fought for the

1686
01:13:59,649 --> 01:13:58,189
patent Salvatore biiis I know where he

1687
01:14:01,869 --> 01:13:59,659
works I'm not what he's working on this

1688
01:14:04,809 --> 01:14:01,879
type of stuff well I don't know is this

1689
01:14:08,129 --> 01:14:04,819
just his prep project that he is

1690
01:14:11,379 --> 01:14:08,139
interested in and believes could happen

1691
01:14:13,569 --> 01:14:11,389
maybe do I think that they explain a

1692
01:14:16,719 --> 01:14:13,579
realistic technology is out there today

1693
01:14:18,219 --> 01:14:16,729
no because if they did it they wouldn't

1694
01:14:19,629 --> 01:14:18,229
be out there I think he said you

1695
01:14:22,299 --> 01:14:19,639
shouldn't be getting a patent for a

1696
01:14:25,389 --> 01:14:22,309
technologists OD out there and under the

1697
01:14:27,969 --> 01:14:25,399
secrecy yet if they said oh no we can

1698
01:14:30,179 --> 01:14:27,979
make this and this will be yeah not

1699
01:14:32,770 --> 01:14:30,189
gonna be you're not going to find a

1700
01:14:34,540 --> 01:14:32,780
patent now to get to to figure out how

1701
01:14:37,389 --> 01:14:34,550
to build a fusion bomb or the stealth

1702
01:14:41,079 --> 01:14:37,399
bomber from scratch so all right but it

1703
01:14:44,619 --> 01:14:41,089
is real it is a real patent so yeah we

1704
01:14:47,349 --> 01:14:44,629
have to explain okay why did these guys

1705
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:47,359
file for this thing why was it granted

1706
01:14:54,459 --> 01:14:52,159
and is what they described doable is it

1707
01:14:55,919 --> 01:14:54,469
does it you know where the nuclear

1708
01:14:58,319 --> 01:14:55,929
physicists look at that and say that

1709
01:15:01,719 --> 01:14:58,329
yeah yeah that's that's viable

1710
01:15:02,739 --> 01:15:01,729
yeah and we're and and and they asked me

1711
01:15:04,059 --> 01:15:02,749
to kind of help them look at that I

1712
01:15:06,699 --> 01:15:04,069
think we're going to be looking at all

1713
01:15:08,759 --> 01:15:06,709
of us together Tommy Tyler and Brett and

1714
01:15:11,290 --> 01:15:08,769
so I'm gonna talk to some people with it

1715
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:11,300
you know I kind of default back to Nick

1716
01:15:16,989 --> 01:15:13,010
cook and when I ask him certain things

1717
01:15:19,059 --> 01:15:16,999
the same thing is he saying could this

1718
01:15:21,689 --> 01:15:19,069
stuff exists sure but he searched for it

1719
01:15:23,489 --> 01:15:21,699
forever and we weren't even close and

1720
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:23,499
one thing with the pen

1721
01:15:28,020 --> 01:15:25,489
knocking I think it's great if he's able

1722
01:15:30,969 --> 01:15:28,030
to VIN it holy cow this is game-changing

1723
01:15:33,009 --> 01:15:30,979
but it seems like the patents have come

1724
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:33,019
out and with a sequence of events that

1725
01:15:37,660 --> 01:15:35,209
it's like okay this is what I want to do

1726
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:37,670
oh crap I need to build this too so now

1727
01:15:42,580 --> 01:15:40,449
there's a patent from you know the

1728
01:15:44,169 --> 01:15:42,590
nuclear reactor that's gonna work it and

1729
01:15:46,919 --> 01:15:44,179
oh wait we need this so i'ma build a

1730
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:46,929
patent for that type of thing where

1731
01:15:53,729 --> 01:15:51,199
typically you wouldn't see one inventor

1732
01:15:56,109 --> 01:15:53,739
craft at all I mean even if you look at

1733
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:56,119
Kelly Johnson's team with the u-2 spy

1734
01:15:59,379 --> 01:15:57,199
plane what are the greatest

1735
01:16:00,129 --> 01:15:59,389
technological Aerospace's beats it's

1736
01:16:01,629 --> 01:16:00,139
still in the fleet

1737
01:16:05,529 --> 01:16:01,639
so one thing always playing still using

1738
01:16:06,969 --> 01:16:05,539
and there was a team of guys and well

1739
01:16:08,169 --> 01:16:06,979
never thought is if you believe you know

1740
01:16:11,859 --> 01:16:08,179
a lot of people believe in just some

1741
01:16:13,839 --> 01:16:11,869
information so if you were believing

1742
01:16:16,959 --> 01:16:13,849
that turbos a disinformation agent etc

1743
01:16:19,330 --> 01:16:16,969
and the military that this video leaks

1744
01:16:22,029 --> 01:16:19,340
out it really is

1745
01:16:24,009 --> 01:16:22,039
UFOs extraterrestrial we don't want

1746
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:24,019
people to freak out so we're gonna go

1747
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:26,090
out there and send people out to explain

1748
01:16:29,020 --> 01:16:27,679
that no it's actually us technology and

1749
01:16:30,339 --> 01:16:29,030
in fact we're gonna file for this kind

1750
01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:30,349
of bogus patent that kind of

1751
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:32,510
demonstrates that we do have the

1752
01:16:36,910 --> 01:16:34,880
technology to make this that would fit

1753
01:16:41,229 --> 01:16:36,920
the conspiracy disinformation campaign

1754
01:16:43,330 --> 01:16:41,239
anyway well and I was told by a couple

1755
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:43,340
of people that it may not even be as

1756
01:16:47,770 --> 01:16:45,170
sinister as that is it's just trolling

1757
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:47,780
the waters meaning you throw out this

1758
01:16:52,839 --> 01:16:50,449
stuff if you can make your adversaries

1759
01:16:54,669 --> 01:16:52,849
waste time trying to see if it's real

1760
01:16:56,770 --> 01:16:54,679
and build it make them think that you

1761
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:56,780
think it's real I can build it just

1762
01:17:02,560 --> 01:16:59,840
anything to muddy the waters or do you

1763
01:17:06,399 --> 01:17:02,570
kick the trees and there's some you know

1764
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:06,409
kid you know at Harvard or wherever you

1765
01:17:11,770 --> 01:17:09,199
know these big aviation schools like

1766
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:11,780
Florida Atlantic who all of a sudden are

1767
01:17:16,449 --> 01:17:14,570
for a technical who's like hang on a

1768
01:17:18,969 --> 01:17:16,459
minute that's wrong but if he did this

1769
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:18,979
this and this you know you you're

1770
01:17:22,359 --> 01:17:21,170
grooming sources you you kind of seed it

1771
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:22,369
out in the intelligence world it was

1772
01:17:25,209 --> 01:17:24,050
kind of like chicken feet and so you're

1773
01:17:28,419 --> 01:17:25,219
throwing it out and just seeing what

1774
01:17:31,359 --> 01:17:28,429
comes in that's a possibility some

1775
01:17:33,489 --> 01:17:31,369
people mentioned that so let last thing

1776
01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:33,499
a touch on is is Bob Lazar because I

1777
01:17:36,740 --> 01:17:34,729
know you wrote a article recently about

1778
01:17:41,690 --> 01:17:36,750
him and the raid on here

1779
01:17:47,300 --> 01:17:41,700
home seeking documents and materials Bob

1780
01:17:49,550 --> 01:17:47,310
Lazar is the area 51 employee who is I

1781
01:17:51,740 --> 01:17:49,560
guess the only guy who's really spoken

1782
01:17:53,450 --> 01:17:51,750
out about what he saw but anyway he

1783
01:17:55,220 --> 01:17:53,460
bottom line what I think I want to get

1784
01:18:00,350 --> 01:17:55,230
your thoughts on are the fact that he

1785
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,360
claims then in 89 88 89 he personally

1786
01:18:06,290 --> 01:18:02,880
witnessed the type of technology that

1787
01:18:09,650 --> 01:18:06,300
we're talking about with these tic-tacs

1788
01:18:13,820 --> 01:18:09,660
so what is that you know what what's the

1789
01:18:15,410 --> 01:18:13,830
credibility of Lazar in your view isn't

1790
01:18:17,180 --> 01:18:15,420
it convenient when they can they can

1791
01:18:22,430 --> 01:18:17,190
match it to something after it comes out

1792
01:18:24,410 --> 01:18:22,440
I was asked to digging up as Lazar a lot

1793
01:18:26,860 --> 01:18:24,420
and there goes a lot more than just came

1794
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:26,870
out of that vice article and everything

1795
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:30,330
it is my opinion after 30 years and

1796
01:18:33,850 --> 01:18:31,770
everything and this is speaking of Lazar

1797
01:18:37,340 --> 01:18:33,860
and there's so much more that just

1798
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:37,350
didn't go in the vice article luck was

1799
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:40,800
ours a great story he's a cultural

1800
01:18:45,650 --> 01:18:43,410
phenomena that speak to that zygous of

1801
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:45,660
government cover-ups and UFOs in

1802
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:50,880
everything and that's what it is I was

1803
01:18:55,310 --> 01:18:52,650
able to examine and he said it's not in

1804
01:18:58,580 --> 01:18:55,320
that article but examining from going

1805
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:58,590
back to 89 until now everything ever

1806
01:19:02,690 --> 01:19:00,480
truly went into it objectively and

1807
01:19:04,820 --> 01:19:02,700
frankly just listening to him he's kind

1808
01:19:07,550 --> 01:19:04,830
of matter of fact you know nerdiness is

1809
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:07,560
like wait this guy I went into it but

1810
01:19:14,090 --> 01:19:10,130
maybe more of a believer oddly enough

1811
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:14,100
you know when I weigh the possibilities

1812
01:19:20,330 --> 01:19:18,000
in the balance of probabilities I was

1813
01:19:22,370 --> 01:19:20,340
unable to find it any evidence to

1814
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:22,380
support any of his claims

1815
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:26,250
I found a overwhelming wealth of

1816
01:19:30,260 --> 01:19:27,810
evidence that it does not support his

1817
01:19:32,180 --> 01:19:30,270
complaint that would suggest to me he

1818
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:32,190
did not have the technical know-how he

1819
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:34,890
would not have ever been granted a

1820
01:19:40,820 --> 01:19:36,810
security clearance in the first place

1821
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:40,830
based on some of his past history which

1822
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:42,960
is striking because we would have to

1823
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:44,970
assume he's the only guy like we've

1824
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:46,770
heard some weird conspiracies out there

1825
01:19:49,850 --> 01:19:49,290
but he's the only one and so if it was

1826
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:49,860
true

1827
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:52,370
man that that would have to be so tight

1828
01:19:57,740 --> 01:19:56,250
then nobody has leaked but him why do

1829
01:19:59,720 --> 01:19:57,750
you let that guy based on some

1830
01:20:01,520 --> 01:19:59,730
background so well and sort of the same

1831
01:20:03,470 --> 01:20:01,530
thing applies to the turbo story because

1832
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:03,480
under the turbo story this technology

1833
01:20:09,860 --> 01:20:05,970
has now been around for at least 20

1834
01:20:13,340 --> 01:20:09,870
years and how come we're only hearing

1835
01:20:15,050 --> 01:20:13,350
about it from turbo hundreds of people

1836
01:20:18,020 --> 01:20:15,060
even turbo himself says hundreds of

1837
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:18,030
people know about this and that makes

1838
01:20:23,630 --> 01:20:20,730
sense you'd have to be that in the

1839
01:20:25,730 --> 01:20:23,640
hundreds in order to have had these

1840
01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:25,740
things built at plant 40 to have private

1841
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:27,480
contractors been involved according to

1842
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,970
turbo to to private contractors so yeah

1843
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:31,440
we're probably in the hundreds of people

1844
01:20:36,860 --> 01:20:34,410
that would know and everybody has been

1845
01:20:40,580 --> 01:20:36,870
able to keep it under the hat for 20

1846
01:20:42,410 --> 01:20:40,590
years yeah and and all due respect to

1847
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:42,420
mr. turbo I mean at least he may be a

1848
01:20:45,500 --> 01:20:44,130
great guy love to chat with him because

1849
01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:45,510
I'd love to hear more of what he's got

1850
01:20:49,220 --> 01:20:47,940
to say but yeah the information that I'm

1851
01:20:52,130 --> 01:20:49,230
going to put out to the public it was in

1852
01:20:54,290 --> 01:20:52,140
these articles and everything it's never

1853
01:20:55,460 --> 01:20:54,300
gonna be if I use an anonymous source

1854
01:20:56,750 --> 01:20:55,470
it's gonna be just like I did with the

1855
01:20:58,400 --> 01:20:56,760
other guys I'm gonna confirm it matter

1856
01:21:00,350 --> 01:20:58,410
to knows who it is we can confirm it

1857
01:21:02,930 --> 01:21:00,360
back it up if need be but I'm not gonna

1858
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,940
base it entirely and ask you or anyone

1859
01:21:07,180 --> 01:21:04,800
else to believe what I'm saying and

1860
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:07,190
didn't say heaven I can't tell you how

1861
01:21:14,060 --> 01:21:10,800
that's just a caveat and maybe he's true

1862
01:21:16,460 --> 01:21:14,070
and if that's the case you know I also

1863
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:16,470
fall back on it again just so you said

1864
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:18,960
he's the only one guy saying with

1865
01:21:23,420 --> 01:21:22,320
Lazarre there's the idea well they

1866
01:21:25,580 --> 01:21:23,430
haven't been arrested or anything

1867
01:21:27,290 --> 01:21:25,590
because that would just prove credence

1868
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:27,300
to their story well the government

1869
01:21:31,490 --> 01:21:29,450
having a problem trying to arrest

1870
01:21:33,470 --> 01:21:31,500
william cooper and shooting him in the

1871
01:21:35,570 --> 01:21:33,480
head back in the late 90s who he was the

1872
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:35,580
IRA behind a pale horse kind of a

1873
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:38,400
messianic in the conspiracy world

1874
01:21:43,010 --> 01:21:40,890
he never Amin him they'd have a problem

1875
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:43,020
with a lot of different things and Bob

1876
01:21:48,020 --> 01:21:46,320
Lazar has broken the law numerous times

1877
01:21:49,700 --> 01:21:48,030
since then government at any point time

1878
01:21:52,010 --> 01:21:49,710
and under federal violations could have

1879
01:21:55,220 --> 01:21:52,020
said yeah lock him up 20 years and buy

1880
01:21:58,280 --> 01:21:55,230
and I think you as you probably know the

1881
01:22:00,230 --> 01:21:58,290
public's attention span is very recency

1882
01:22:03,629 --> 01:22:00,240
bias whatever is going on now we pay

1883
01:22:05,009 --> 01:22:03,639
attention to and so I don't

1884
01:22:07,709 --> 01:22:05,019
think it would have blown up like thank

1885
01:22:09,959 --> 01:22:07,719
God there truther so if they were

1886
01:22:11,929 --> 01:22:09,969
disclosing true classified information

1887
01:22:14,819 --> 01:22:11,939
are you baby

1888
01:22:16,949 --> 01:22:14,829
colin edward snowden's hey man you got

1889
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:16,959
room in the apartment no frigate up

1890
01:22:21,179 --> 01:22:19,570
there so the last thing give me one or

1891
01:22:23,939 --> 01:22:21,189
two questions for turbo because we are

1892
01:22:26,069 --> 01:22:23,949
gonna have him back on as you listen to

1893
01:22:28,139 --> 01:22:26,079
it what what kind of obvious things that

1894
01:22:30,330 --> 01:22:28,149
your thought oh man if I was sitting

1895
01:22:33,419 --> 01:22:30,340
there I would have asked him to clarify

1896
01:22:34,469 --> 01:22:33,429
this or elaborate on that well one of

1897
01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:34,479
the things that he mentioned that I

1898
01:22:38,009 --> 01:22:36,340
thought was really weird I'd never heard

1899
01:22:40,199 --> 01:22:38,019
it before is is and they seem to be

1900
01:22:42,089 --> 01:22:40,209
reluctant on it is he mentioned that the

1901
01:22:45,229 --> 01:22:42,099
technology may have come out of Dundee

1902
01:22:47,429 --> 01:22:45,239
University immersion Dundee which I'm

1903
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:47,439
fairly certain he's talking about the

1904
01:22:53,370 --> 01:22:50,130
the University in Scotland in the UK

1905
01:22:55,620 --> 01:22:53,380
that's news to anybody and I actually

1906
01:22:59,639 --> 01:22:55,630
asked some of my connections in the

1907
01:23:01,770 --> 01:22:59,649
aviation aerospace world in the UK and I

1908
01:23:04,319 --> 01:23:01,780
said they ever heard of anything fancy

1909
01:23:06,509 --> 01:23:04,329
coming out of time I mean you know these

1910
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:06,519
guys even in it no they they do some

1911
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:08,800
Rover stuff like some electronic stuff

1912
01:23:15,029 --> 01:23:13,449
with the Rovers but that was weird

1913
01:23:16,889 --> 01:23:15,039
well we tracked down and I don't

1914
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:16,899
remember how but I'll just give you a

1915
01:23:20,459 --> 01:23:18,610
name real quick in case it rings a bell

1916
01:23:22,139 --> 01:23:20,469
because Michael through some of the

1917
01:23:24,209 --> 01:23:22,149
research we were doing we did find a guy

1918
01:23:30,419 --> 01:23:24,219
associated with Dundee University and

1919
01:23:32,729 --> 01:23:30,429
what do sandy kid okay I don't know it

1920
01:23:35,609 --> 01:23:32,739
but I'll look into it because I was

1921
01:23:39,770 --> 01:23:35,619
interested yeah so sandy kids not a name

1922
01:23:42,989 --> 01:23:39,780
that you know though no okay I mean okay

1923
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:42,999
anyway we'll share information and I

1924
01:23:46,109 --> 01:23:44,800
forget why and we don't have time to go

1925
01:23:48,509 --> 01:23:46,119
through it now but that's the name that

1926
01:23:49,889 --> 01:23:48,519
we track down post turbo interview

1927
01:23:50,969 --> 01:23:49,899
associated with Thunder University and

1928
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:50,979
we reached out to him

1929
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:56,530
we're hoping he's going to talk but he

1930
01:24:01,310 --> 01:23:57,760
was kind of surprised that we reached

1931
01:24:03,779 --> 01:24:01,320
him and was kind of acting as if yes I

1932
01:24:05,909 --> 01:24:03,789
discovered something very significant

1933
01:24:12,419 --> 01:24:05,919
and have never really gotten much credit

1934
01:24:15,589 --> 01:24:12,429
for it hey man dude more power to it I'd

1935
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:15,599
love to hear it and I mean and so yeah I

1936
01:24:19,380 --> 01:24:17,410
would just say that

1937
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:19,390
a lot of the stuff that he mentioned

1938
01:24:25,170 --> 01:24:21,520
would be so against the grain of what

1939
01:24:27,870 --> 01:24:25,180
the what the witnesses told me what

1940
01:24:30,450 --> 01:24:27,880
needs trying to find out the legitimacy

1941
01:24:31,620 --> 01:24:30,460
of this technology exists Lee wouldn't

1942
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:31,630
you say that most of the experts you've

1943
01:24:35,970 --> 01:24:33,610
spoken to would say that yes this is

1944
01:24:37,730 --> 01:24:35,980
theoretically possible the laws of

1945
01:24:39,390 --> 01:24:37,740
physics are such that you know

1946
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:39,400
anti-gravity and all that kind of stuff

1947
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:41,440
has been talked about in research for

1948
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:44,650
four decades and it is real but they

1949
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:46,330
just don't think that we're there yet is

1950
01:24:51,690 --> 01:24:48,130
that where the commute scientific

1951
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:51,700
community is on this multiple reasons

1952
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:53,920
I mean we're talking about energy the

1953
01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:56,650
energy propulsion system to drive that I

1954
01:25:00,900 --> 01:24:58,210
mean that's the thing is you look at the

1955
01:25:03,690 --> 01:25:00,910
space shuttle launches a rocket how much

1956
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:03,700
fuel is expended but isn't that some of

1957
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:04,930
the superconductor stuff and the

1958
01:25:08,460 --> 01:25:06,970
room-temperature superconductor and that

1959
01:25:10,230 --> 01:25:08,470
kind of stuff which by the way one of

1960
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:10,240
those other Navy patents also pertains

1961
01:25:16,190 --> 01:25:12,880
to right and as I said they all seem to

1962
01:25:17,550 --> 01:25:16,200
fit and so yeah I mean it would be

1963
01:25:21,180 --> 01:25:17,560
incredible

1964
01:25:21,930 --> 01:25:21,190
for for that to happen and at the same

1965
01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:21,940
time he talks about a different

1966
01:25:28,940 --> 01:25:25,840
information software payees just so

1967
01:25:31,290 --> 01:25:28,950
anybody knows he's actually Romanian and

1968
01:25:32,370 --> 01:25:31,300
just to putting it out there because

1969
01:25:34,170 --> 01:25:32,380
it's something to be interested to

1970
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:34,180
consider is I've actually had an

1971
01:25:38,250 --> 01:25:35,610
opportunity to interview several a

1972
01:25:41,130 --> 01:25:38,260
Romanian aviation and aerospace experts

1973
01:25:42,570 --> 01:25:41,140
in fact I have been covering two guys

1974
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:42,580
who have built what they think will be

1975
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:43,450
the first fly

1976
01:25:50,510 --> 01:25:47,530
fully functional flying saucer the idea

1977
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:50,520
of a flying saucer type technology and

1978
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:54,010
some of these ideas in fact the first

1979
01:26:00,540 --> 01:25:55,330
person to ever patent a flying saucer

1980
01:26:01,830 --> 01:26:00,550
was a Romanian inventor in 1931 to them

1981
01:26:03,900 --> 01:26:01,840
when I taught him on my man it looks

1982
01:26:07,050 --> 01:26:03,910
like a UFO a flying saucer and they're

1983
01:26:09,330 --> 01:26:07,060
like huh are you talking about like to

1984
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:09,340
them the the platform is very sound

1985
01:26:13,230 --> 01:26:11,050
aerodynamics and everything and so I

1986
01:26:15,420 --> 01:26:13,240
think that that in itself him being a

1987
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:15,430
remain key or Romanian growing up or

1988
01:26:20,220 --> 01:26:18,610
never Romanian some of it some of these

1989
01:26:21,900 --> 01:26:20,230
things probably aren't as crazy is they

1990
01:26:24,030 --> 01:26:21,910
autos they're not as bound by this kind

1991
01:26:27,450 --> 01:26:24,040
of fixed-wing different types of control

1992
01:26:31,319 --> 01:26:27,460
surfaces that we use so maybe did that

1993
01:26:34,109 --> 01:26:32,790
before he said to me and I agreed with

1994
01:26:35,579 --> 01:26:34,119
him I don't care if they're aliens or

1995
01:26:37,229 --> 01:26:35,589
IRS I don't know what they are I won't

1996
01:26:40,020 --> 01:26:37,239
know how they work and you know if we're

1997
01:26:42,750 --> 01:26:40,030
talking about something that could cost

1998
01:26:44,819 --> 01:26:42,760
effectively you know I could have flown

1999
01:26:47,369 --> 01:26:44,829
to you right now an interview this and

2000
01:26:49,020 --> 01:26:47,379
be back before bedtime because freaking

2001
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:49,030
trauma that fast and a commercial thing

2002
01:26:52,290 --> 01:26:50,800
and I want to see that out there for

2003
01:26:54,179 --> 01:26:52,300
everybody you know that you see here

2004
01:26:56,250 --> 01:26:54,189
today you'd believe that there was

2005
01:26:59,639 --> 01:26:56,260
actual craft in the sky that they

2006
01:27:03,029 --> 01:26:59,649
encountered off the limits based on

2007
01:27:04,500 --> 01:27:03,039
their accounts yes you know and again I

2008
01:27:07,109 --> 01:27:04,510
have to base it on what the guys have

2009
01:27:09,209 --> 01:27:07,119
said and I default back to them because

2010
01:27:11,579 --> 01:27:09,219
I've pushed him hard on electronics

2011
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:11,589
warfare which was the Nemesis pushed him

2012
01:27:17,219 --> 01:27:13,209
hard on could it be that that kind of

2013
01:27:19,139 --> 01:27:17,229
stuff they say no they can't divulge why

2014
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:19,149
because of classified reasons I respect

2015
01:27:28,949 --> 01:27:25,449
that I truly do and you know flavor he

2016
01:27:30,719 --> 01:27:28,959
there's I've never heard yeah he he it

2017
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:30,729
appears that he's character in witnesses

2018
01:27:35,069 --> 01:27:32,320
is beyond reproach at the house I can't

2019
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:35,079
figure why a very accomplished naval

2020
01:27:38,609 --> 01:27:36,489
commander which is sudden to come out

2021
01:27:39,599 --> 01:27:38,619
saying crazy stuff so so we're so we're

2022
01:27:42,329 --> 01:27:39,609
back to where we started

2023
01:27:45,029 --> 01:27:42,339
it's real the question is is it earthly

2024
01:27:47,689 --> 01:27:45,039
or extraterrestrial if I'm in Vegas and

2025
01:27:50,399 --> 01:27:47,699
I'm at the roulette wheel and red is

2026
01:27:53,729 --> 01:27:50,409
earthly in black is extraterrestrial

2027
01:27:58,199 --> 01:27:53,739
I'm betting red what which one do you

2028
01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:58,209
bet which was red represents earthly ok

2029
01:28:03,629 --> 01:28:00,639
all right all right yeah this is a good

2030
01:28:06,209 --> 01:28:03,639
question and you're gonna make me get so

2031
01:28:12,829 --> 01:28:06,219
many people in the alien UFO romatic

2032
01:28:15,469 --> 01:28:12,839
but just based on an abductive logic I

2033
01:28:20,009 --> 01:28:15,479
probably lay my chips on red with you

2034
01:28:22,889 --> 01:28:20,019
but I cabbie odd that by saying it's

2035
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:22,899
really weird if it is and I'm a hedge

2036
01:28:27,179 --> 01:28:24,010
that bit man

2037
01:28:31,739 --> 01:28:27,189
I may drop your chips down on red or

2038
01:28:36,839 --> 01:28:31,749
when I'm black yeah or maybe green green

2039
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:36,849
rice yeah I well that's what makes it

2040
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:39,280
such a such a such a fun mystery to try

2041
01:28:44,279 --> 01:28:42,489
to unravel so thanks thanks so much to

2042
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:44,289
him for taking the time really

2043
01:28:47,070 --> 01:28:45,280
appreciate it in

2044
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:47,080
I think we'll be keeping in touch about